Virgin neutrality story

I just phoned Virgin just now, they said they have no idea what I am talking about.

I quoted what the CEO said (the name she recognised) but claimed I was talking rubbish.

When I then explained to her what net nutrality was, she said that was the same as speed throttling.

Which I said it wasn't. I explained again, using various made up examples etc

She said she wasn't that bothered - her actual words.

So I said the same and hung up.

Honestly. lol 30 days notice to terminate. Better get onto Sky/BT quick.
 
Just looked at that video. No there not blowing it out of proportion. The fact that you aren't guaranteed speeds you pay for is outrageous for a start, you then have "fair usage" policy which is despicable. Know they want to make most of the net come to a crawling halt. Unless they pay virgin lots of money.
 
I was suprised when i saw the guy in the Video as he's normally playing WoW and making video's about himself and his girlfriend.

It's certainly making me concider the alternative.
 
I can quite honestly see a situation where one is forced to pay a premium for a net-neutral, phorm free, non-shaped provider...

Any suggestions? I'm currently on VM and aside from the potential for above, it's just plain slow too.
 
His girlfriend is so HOT I don't get what she sees in him she should see in me.
Bt speed cap to 512k 5:30 pm to 12pm nobody truly has broadband in this country.
 
Last edited:
I can quite honestly see a situation where one is forced to pay a premium for a net-neutral, phorm free, non-shaped provider...
.

But that's the thing most of us wouldn't mind paying. Just most companies don't offer it. I would gladly pay more to virgin to remove fair usage.
 
But that's the thing most of us wouldn't mind paying. Just most companies don't offer it. I would gladly pay more to virgin to remove fair usage.

Why should you though?

I paid the exact same monthly DD to TW, so why should virgin extort more money out of me for the same services on the same network?
 
Why should you though?

I paid the exact same monthly DD to TW, so why should virgin extort more money out of me for the same services on the same network?

Because if you want guaranteed speeds and service. You have to pay for it. Internet's cheap and so the isps can't buy the infrastructure/bandwidth that is needed. I would gladly pay more to be of fair usage and have guaranteed speeds. Why shouldn't heavy users pay more than light.

The problem at the moment is there's no choice :(.
 
They will be stopped soon by law from doing that. There is a lot of movement in European Parliament regarding these issues recently, and basically some time this year there will be ammendment to legislation about service levels which should put an end to ISPs tampering, throttling and limiting access. Worst case scenario - and I mean worst case, if just about everything else in legislation falls through - it will force ISPs to specifically mark products for what they are - so there will be no more unlimited limits and 20Mbit lines with 512k caps. Best case scenario - the ISPs will be finally fully regulated, like media, power or water services - there will be no "it's our router and all your internettings belong to us" malarky ever again and ISPs will have to maintain equal level of standards across entire continent or perish if they are not willing to.

Generally things are looking good for internet users in European Parliament - last month MEPs voted decidedly against so called "three strike deal", which was already adopted by several ISPs in UK and was really pushed for by French government - basically idea that ISPs should work on behalf of music and film industries and police questionable internet usage. According to Frenchies, ISPs were to give you three warnings if they found you downloading mp3s or torrents and then blacklist you, cutting off your access. MEPs voted against both proposed legislations about internet policing and "industry" was basically told to get lost - there will be no P2P blocking or snooping on what people use as, I quote these are "measures conflicting with civil liberties and human rights and with the principles of proportionality, effectiveness and dissuasiveness (..) of Internet access".
 
Because at a guess TW didn't offer the same headline speed of 20mb or whatever?

I'm in two minds about this whole thing, on the one hand I can see exactly where the ISP's are coming from - to get customers they have to advertise high speeds, however they cannot cope with the way some customers are using those speeds, which is in a manner for which a business level (leased line) service would be more appropriate.

From the customers point of view it's very confusing as to what is actually the better value for money - the "up to" 24mb ADSL product that might only be physically capable of giving them 2mb, the "up to" 20mb product that can give that 20mb all the time if you're the only user, but for cost and minimum service level reasons ends up being slower at peak times.

I think it's going to take a whole new pricing structure for the ISP's and customers to get what they actually think they are paying for - something along the ines of what some ADSL companies are already doing - giving you the choice of different speed and bandwidth packages and then billing accordingly.

I've said it before repeatedly, I'm personally pretty happy with the speed dropping to Xmb from Ymb once I use ZGB of bandwidth during certain times, as long as X is high enough that my connection is still usable for "normal" use* (and 5mb is plenty even for someone using IPlayer etc).


Net neutrality is a slightly more complicated things, I can see why an ISP might want to say give priority to HTTP, VOIP and similar data at the expense of torrents and the like, but can see that it could cause problems if the isp misreads your voice traffic (or games) as torrent stuff and puts it in the "drop first" category.


Biohazard, there is no extortion you are free to change ISP, hell the chance in T&C lets anyone pull out even if they are still under their initial contract. As for the person you talked to on the phone, whilst she probably shouldn't have said you were talking rubbish it's not generally their job to know everything ever said by their boss (especially if it was said recently and not yet filtered down as policy) - do you know the ins and outs of every thing your CEO has talked about in regards to your job?
It's fairly true that often the people on the phones in any company are among the last to know what's going on, as they tend to be low down in the company pecking order, and often employed by a third party/only trained in the area that they specifically need to know.

If anyone really wants to get out of this "up to" and "STM" lark they do have the option (generally) of business broadband, but that does tend to cost rather more than bog standard stack it high, sell it cheap commodity broadband (which is what we've got used to over the past couple of years).



*I and most people who have had broadband for more than a few years have probably seen our connections increase in overal speed (regardless of the "up to" part) by anything up to 40x times, and seen it get considerably cheaper in real terms - I think I was paying either £35 or £50 for 512k when I first got NTL, i'm now paying £37 (less really as it's a package) for 20mb that even with the new STM averages at about 13mb over the day.
 
I am changing anyway. For 8 months they have tried to take me to small claims over £25 or £50 (they can't decide which) I apparently owe them (long story). Some of the staff are helpful, some not so.

It is extortion as up until now as I cba to change! :D I firmly belive that they changed the goal posts.

Yes I do on a whole know what my ExComm people are up to/have decided.

The place I work for isn't run quite as badly as VM.
 
The problem at the moment is there's no choice :(.


There is always choice, Zen charge me £24.99 a month, outstanding service, connection and viabilty.

You pay's your money, and you takes your choice, nothing could be simpler!!.

Cheap is as cheap does!!
 
There is always choice, Zen charge me £24.99 a month, outstanding service, connection and viabilty.

You pay's your money, and you takes your choice, nothing could be simpler!!.

Cheap is as cheap does!!

Is Zen not ADSL? Do you not have to pay BT line rental on top of that?
 
I don't think some of you understand just to clarify this means:
Things like youtube or whatever will be slow and unusable on your isp because they don't pay your isp money to make it use your full connection speed.
And then games will follow.
 
The whole thing is ridiculous.
Websites ALREADY pay for the bandwidth hosting, ISP's need to stop crying just because it wasn't their particular hosting service that got the job. Thats capitalism, they need to suck it up and be more competitive.
It would end up a complete logistical nightmare, with website owners having to pay protection money to hundreds of individual ISP's just to ensure people will still visit their site - People have a very short patience threshold when it comes to loading times nowadays.
 
Is Zen not ADSL? Do you not have to pay BT line rental on top of that?

Absolutely right, but I need the BT line anyway, so the Zen charge is something I opt for, because at the end of the day, I require a permanent, always on, broadband connection......and at circa 6000KB each and every day, it's worth it!!
 
Back
Top Bottom