Virgin's New STM Policy
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Thats what i thought but it says on the cable forum that they going to start sending out letters, says this on the front page.
We have received information that Virgin Media, is from tomorrow (May 29th), going to start mailing its customers who download and upload, excessively. We have been told that they are in the process of writing to those high usage broadband customers who are downloading and / or uploading huge amounts, which Virgin Media claim can have an overall impact on the broadband experience for all their customers
We have received information that Virgin Media, is from tomorrow (May 29th), going to start mailing its customers who download and upload, excessively. We have been told that they are in the process of writing to those high usage broadband customers who are downloading and / or uploading huge amounts, which Virgin Media claim can have an overall impact on the broadband experience for all their customers
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To be homest, DarkPrince isn't making any claims to anything that hasn't been stated or hinted at on various cable forums, or wouldn't fit in with VM's past behaviour *and* what would simply make business sense.
Whether or not you believe he's "2nd head of the trials" or whatever (personally I don't), the info is still accurate for the most part...and isn't anything that's super-secret...it's all over the internet for you to find if you just look.
Whether or not you believe he's "2nd head of the trials" or whatever (personally I don't), the info is still accurate for the most part...and isn't anything that's super-secret...it's all over the internet for you to find if you just look.
I dont think it's all doom and gloom.. pressure is increasing on ISPs to be seeN to be proactive on piracy, and I think a lot of it stems from that alone as well as the technical problems with heavy use.
People here who are downloading 10+ GB a day, every day, I think we should be honest here.. there are only so many game demos / patches / linux distros out there.
(and there really is no argument for legitimate use at these kinds of levels, just be honest.. if you won't admit this your a liar tbh)
I don't think we should be complaining because our 'piracy' habits are being bought into check a little.. imagine the upset if VM was REALLY responsible and actively logged what you were downloading and provided that info to local authorities. Now that cap would work very well at reducing traffic
I think it all still compares well even with DSL for normal use.. and a 'normal' user with occasional daily large download is not going to suffer. It's the die hard file sharing users who stack up dozens of 'illegal things'
We can all spend ages picking apart the VM t&c and saying they are in breach, but they are a business, and they are acting in the interest of a large percentage of normal law abiding users. It's the pirates amongst us who are truly in breach of laws here... Fair play to them
edit: am i a pirate ?, well I use torrents like a lot of people for my own use.. but I would never stack up 10GBs of files of dubious legality and then complain about the download speed. It's just unreasonable.
To prove my point, here's a interesting bit of fiction for you...
The UK goverment decide to launch a public sector unlimited no throttle no cap ISP with 50GBit of direct to door fibre goodness for £5 a month. The only catch, EVERY download is monitored, anyone downloading illegal content on a regular basis will be either thrown off the network or face fines and possible legal prosecution.. how many of you 'heavy users' here would use this service ? NONE (or very few)
I rest my case
People here who are downloading 10+ GB a day, every day, I think we should be honest here.. there are only so many game demos / patches / linux distros out there.
(and there really is no argument for legitimate use at these kinds of levels, just be honest.. if you won't admit this your a liar tbh)I don't think we should be complaining because our 'piracy' habits are being bought into check a little.. imagine the upset if VM was REALLY responsible and actively logged what you were downloading and provided that info to local authorities. Now that cap would work very well at reducing traffic
I think it all still compares well even with DSL for normal use.. and a 'normal' user with occasional daily large download is not going to suffer. It's the die hard file sharing users who stack up dozens of 'illegal things'
We can all spend ages picking apart the VM t&c and saying they are in breach, but they are a business, and they are acting in the interest of a large percentage of normal law abiding users. It's the pirates amongst us who are truly in breach of laws here... Fair play to them
edit: am i a pirate ?, well I use torrents like a lot of people for my own use
.. but I would never stack up 10GBs of files of dubious legality and then complain about the download speed. It's just unreasonable. To prove my point, here's a interesting bit of fiction for you...
The UK goverment decide to launch a public sector unlimited no throttle no cap ISP with 50GBit of direct to door fibre goodness for £5 a month. The only catch, EVERY download is monitored, anyone downloading illegal content on a regular basis will be either thrown off the network or face fines and possible legal prosecution.. how many of you 'heavy users' here would use this service ? NONE (or very few)
I rest my case
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The UK goverment decide to launch a public sector unlimited no throttle no cap ISP with 50GBit of direct to door fibre goodness for £5 a month. The only catch, EVERY download is monitored, anyone downloading illegal content on a regular basis will be either thrown off the network or face fines and possible legal prosecution.. how many of you 'heavy users' here would use this service ? NONE (or very few)
I rest my case
I'd use it. It'd be amazing for development/server work. Then I'd just use my seperate, less fast connection for any downloading/emails/anything I wanted to keep remotely private.
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ive found the virgin service (on 2mb) much better in the last few weeks, possibly as a result of these changes, i welcome them, the only people that lose out are pirates anyway, no one legally would download that much stuff every day to be a problem.
Well done for missing the point.
I think thats exactly the point. Those truely affected are those who are abusing the service with hardcore illegal activities. (ie - 24/7 illegal torrents)
If they are forced to move somewhere else, then better for everyone else. Good riddance, but at same time good luck finding another provider not also planning / putting into place limits on usage, those days are quickly ending.
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Looking at the table, it seems you have a one hour free period from 3PM - 4PM which is good as I usually try and get all my downloads done between that time when I come home from school.
I can see in the future that this STM policy will get worse, and I can't wait to see what the STM is on 50MB.
I can see in the future that this STM policy will get worse, and I can't wait to see what the STM is on 50MB.
Should be fine.. lets face it a normal internet user only needs bursts of speed, and even if then throttled should not effect normal web / gaming / net use as you'll still get a good speed.
It's only the p2p abusers that are up in arms.. as they say in russia, toughski
It's only the p2p abusers that are up in arms.. as they say in russia, toughski
So me downloading the CoH 1.7GB patch getting STM'd means I'm a pirate? Sorry but the STM on Virgin is now so over the top that it affects even medium use. With the current state of the internet with TV on demand, youtube and game patches getting to silly size you don't need to be doing anything illegal to get STM'd on a fairly regular basis.
If this was just affecting those heavy users I would not have an issue but it affects a lot more.
a household of 4 networked computers 4 kids could easily hit the limit within 1 hour. its limiting just a bit more than pirates, and if you think the limits were brought in as a anti pirating measure, then your very short sighted.
Of course not, but you don't download a CoH patch every day constantly ?, It would hardly effect you.. sure you may have to wait abit longer for your download.
As TV on demand and other streaming content becomes more common they will have to rethink and start traffic shaping based on types of traffic. But I guess atm they are doing it the cheap way.