Poll: Who believes in God?

Your beliefs

  • I believe in God

    Votes: 135 13.4%
  • I do not believe in God

    Votes: 445 44.1%
  • I used to believe but have lost my faith

    Votes: 42 4.2%
  • I used to disbelieve but have found my faith

    Votes: 7 0.7%
  • I believe there is "something" but not sure what

    Votes: 200 19.8%
  • I'm Agnostic

    Votes: 167 16.6%
  • I believe in multiple deities

    Votes: 13 1.3%

  • Total voters
    1,009
Besides surely if you beleive that God exists, you'd be pretty silly not to go to him for help, who better to help you than an almighty god?
And God helps them in what way? (Other than them just deciding, 'hey, I should do this as that's what he would want me to do').

This is a genuine question. If it really is a two way deal I'd be very interested to know exactly what is offered in return (And specifically what perks you get that the non believers don't).
 
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but not all religious people do rely on God in that way, so how can a mere beleif that God exists make them so weak?

Besides surely if you beleive that God exists, you'd be pretty silly not to go to him for help, who better to help you than an almighty god?

I see no reason to believe in God other than to go to him for answers. I did mention earlier that I attribute my feelings towards people who rely on God moreso than those who merely believe in him. I am not intentionally try to paint an entire demographic with one brush. Also, I did not imply they were "very" weak, or at least i didn't mean to. I stated that i believe they are "weaker", rather than Helpless, which is how you make it sound.

As for your second point, I cannot comment on how i would feel, as I dont feel i have the ability to fully comprehend what i would use a God for.
As i said, if you want to go to God, that's fine by me. But i will not do so.
 
btw, are there no Christian scientists?

There seems to be this whole religion vs science thing which always happens in a 'debate' about Gods, why must they be on either side of a fence?

Someone who believes in god must agree that 'science' is in general running on the right theories and an atheist must also come to the conclusion that not all that can be known is known and therefore cannot rule out the possibility that god exists.

But then again, from my point of view religion is never about God existing or not, it is only ever about the belief in that god, afterall you cannot prove whether God does or does not exist.

Whilst I don't directly agree with dampcat's assumption that people with faith are weak minded, he does hit somewhere near the mark. As these people who believe devoutly in a supreme being that created the heaven and the earths do not really believe that God exists, they believe in the belief that a God exists. There is no proof whatsoever that God exists, but people's belief is real, churches are real, the bible etc, if people were true believers in God, they would not need bibles, churches, vicars, priests etc, they would believe how they want to believe, anything short of believing what you have come to of your own observations is merely following someone else's word, someone else's belief, not your own.

Falsely assuming that bibles, churches, priests & other believers is proof and/or validation of your belief is just buying into the system of control that is religion. If you follow the word of the bible, you are not a believer, you are just like every scientist who seeks the validation of their theories, you seek meaning and validation.

If you truly think you believe in god throw away your bibles, stop going to church, forget about Jesus, this man that you can only come to the conclusion he existed by following the word of others.
 
It's my belief that i'm of a stronger mind because I do not rely on a higher deity to answer questions i cannot understand. It is my belief that when presented with a problem, i will not ask a divine being to help me solve it, but i will work harder, faster and stronger within myself to defeat it. It is my belief that sometimes bad things happen, and that there is usually a logical reason for it. If in cases where this obviously cannot be attributed, par example my sister's death from cancer, i will not reduce this event to a Mystical Being having dealt her a bad card, or having decided on her behalf that it "was time".

Further to this, i do not hold the opinion that people who do rely on, or attribute these things to God are wrong. I hold nothing against religious people. As stated i can appreciate why you would believe in a god, i just cannot empathise with it.

I'd just like to add that despite being religious, I agree with everything you say there. I hope it's not how you view all religious believers.

There are many reasons for believing in something greater than ourselves, and only one of them is that you think that being is responsible directly for everything that goes wrong ot right in the World.

My personal reasons are just that: very personal. I'd struggle to explain if I tried, and would probably be met with ridicule from the "OMGFFS science proves God doesn't exist" crowd. But one reason is what CS Lewis called the Moral Law, or Agape. It's just one of a few things I observe that I think point toward something else at work.:)
 
Saying that we don't know what happened before is not "faith in unknowing" - it is taking the logical standpoint that without sufficient evidence to make a judgement then one chooses not to do so.?

Scientist's don't even know what happened or if there was even a big bang.

This has yet to be proved.

So their Measureability is taken from a standpoint of faith.

They have to start their mesurments from somewhere and the majority choose the big bang as astarting point even though its unproven.


You are making a pretty major assumption here, you assume that god(s) wouldn't exist without mankind. Why would they not? It is somewhat a case of "if a tree falls in the forest...", if we don't exist then does the rest of the World cease to be


The truth would exist without man.But unfortuantely god wouldn't be realised as it needs human intervention to function.
 
In response to dampcat, I think that agnostics are stronger than atheists because we can live with uncertainty which quite a lot of people seem unable to do.

For all people saying science has not proved this blah blah blah, you have to realise that science can not 'prove' anything!
 
I'd just like to add that despite being religious, I agree with everything you say there. I hope it's not how you view all religious believers.

There are many reasons for believing in something greater than ourselves, and only one of them is that you think that being is responsible directly for everything that goes wrong ot right in the World.

My personal reasons are just that: very personal. I'd struggle to explain if I tried, and would probably be met with ridicule from the "OMGFFS science proves God doesn't exist" crowd. But one reason is what CS Lewis called the Moral Law, or Agape. It's just one of a few things I observe that I think point toward something else at work.:)

It is not how i view ALL religious followers, no. However to remain consistent I do have to group everyone together. The reason for this is that ultimately, it all boils down to one thing; the belief in God.

The other reason is of course, just like you, i would also struggle to type here all of my feelings about the subject. It would take 100 pages and even then it wouldn't help to convey what's inside.
 
In response to dampcat, I think that agnostics are stronger than atheists because we can live with uncertainty which quite a lot of people seem unable to do.

Hi :)

I can understand how you came to that conclusion, but as expected no doubt, i can't agree.

I would argue that i was strong enough to make that decision, and thus live my life with absolute certainty; and that to not make the choice would point to the inability to decide for yourself what is going on.

Indeed, this is of course a viewpoint, and I have no doubt that had i a belief (agnostic) much like your own, my opinion would almost certainly mirror yours.

Although thanks for giving me something to think about :P
 
Scientist's don't even know what happened or if there was even a big bang.

This has yet to be proved.

So their Measureability is taken from a standpoint of faith.

They have to start their mesurments from somewhere and the majority choose the big bang as astarting point even though its unproven.

If you want to define it in those very specific terms then everything must be an article of faith since no absolute proof exists. It is however a pretty solid theory and will exist until it is disproved, there is evidence to suggest the theory is correct but since we begin from a point and track back that is perhaps no huge surprise. It isn't "faith in unknowing" as such, there must be certain assumptions or even a disregard for certain questions to begin to answer other, more pressing and answerable questions.

The truth would exist without man.But unfortuantely god wouldn't be realised as it needs human intervention to function.

Why does god need human intervention? Who or what is to say that a god would not exist with or without humankind - sure, they wouldn't have human followers, they might have no believers at all but does that mean that they don't exist?
 
Scientist's don't even know what happened or if there was even a big bang.

This has yet to be proved.

So their Measureability is taken from a standpoint of faith.

They have to start their mesurments from somewhere and the majority choose the big bang as astarting point even though its unproven.

What constitutes proof for you??

At the minute, there are only exotic theories for what caused the big bang or what happened before. but after that the big bang nucleosynthesis model is consistent with observed ratios of elements in the universe.

Btw also look Cosmic microwave radiation which is the big bang afterglow. I would be interested in a theory which causes that.
 
I believe in something and I call it God. I don't follow or believe entirely in any one religion, however I believe each of them (including other spiritual texts) only scratch the surface of the actual truth.

I never used to believe in God, I was an atheist, but from lifes experiences I just "know" there is something... doesn't mean I completely enjoy that or get comfort from it. Infact a lot of the time I'm angry and frustrated because of that belief. You only need to open a news paper or switch on the tele to see the contradictions against an all loving God.

However I do feel we all explore our own destiny and choose our paths, even if it does follow into a painful and hellish existence. Although I don't entirely like the idea, I believe we all chose to come to earth in our own free will and to live out "generally set" paths and directions with the purpose of learning... sometimes very tough/hard lessons.
 
Have always been very religious with the family, observing all the main Christian days in a given year but am not myself sure about any particular 'God' although it is nice to think when praying that someone is listening.
 
Have always been very religious with the family, observing all the main Christian days in a given year but am not myself sure about any particular 'God' although it is nice to think when praying that someone is listening.

Honest genuine question, to satisfy my own curiosity only:

What do you pray for? Do you pray in the hope someone is listening and they might just do something, or pray with the intention of something being done?

You dont have to answer that, it's very personal. I am honestly just curious.
 
Why does god need human intervention? Who or what is to say that a god would not exist with or without humankind - sure, they wouldn't have human followers, they might have no believers at all but does that mean that they don't exist?

God would exist without man,but it would be something else entirely, as God is the creation of man.
 
Agnostic here, To flat out not believe in God is narrow minded, Also to flat out believe in God without admitting the alternative possibility of him not existing, Is also Narrow Minded.
 
I'm not sure about narrow mindedness, atheists with a small "a" have typically given a lot of thought to their view and by virtue of considering the evidence have taken a position.

Religious types and Atheists capital "A", the faithful and the anti-faithful if you will, tend to bang the drum too hard and might come accross as narrow minded.

Faith in all its forms is an admission of inadequacy in my opinion. Grey areas are what makes life interesting so by that measure agnosticism is pretty logical and all well and fine but a bit wet!;)
 
Hi :)

I can understand how you came to that conclusion, but as expected no doubt, i can't agree.

I would argue that i was strong enough to make that decision, and thus live my life with absolute certainty; and that to not make the choice would point to the inability to decide for yourself what is going on.

Indeed, this is of course a viewpoint, and I have no doubt that had i a belief (agnostic) much like your own, my opinion would almost certainly mirror yours.

Although thanks for giving me something to think about :P

I've read your last few posts. Here are my thoughts on the subject.

Firstly, you need to define "weakness". Is it weakness of spirit-that without God Christians would be too "afraid" to act? Is it a lack of intelligence? Is it that Christians pass on the responsibility for their actions to God?

If the first, you must ask if this fear of acting and the belief in God always come together. Everybody experiences fear and has coping strategies. Some, for example, may repeat mantras to themselves; they may tell themself that they are the strongest, best and most intelligent person in the world. Very few people, if any, do not rely on some form of delusion to strengthen themself. What, therefore, is wrong with using God as this delusion?

If it is a lack of intelligence, that strikes me as hugely dogmatic. Look at the ancient Greeks. The massive majority of them believed in Greek Gods-Plato, Archimedes and Aristotle are acknowledged as some of the greatest thinkers that the world has ever seen, and all believe in religion. Look at Descartes, at Kant, and a whole host of others. If you say that this is merely a tiny minority, then I would have to flat out disagree with you. If you look at all of the greatest minds of our past, I would be surprised if at least half of them did not believe in God.

If this weakness is that they pass their responsibility on to God, and therefore do not blame themselves when something goes wrong, you are opening a huge can of worms. You must define responsibility to start with. If responsibility consists in our actions being free, then this is questionable as it merely leads to indeterminism; that our actions result out of chance. It is hard to see how we can be responsible in your sense, whether or not you believe in God, and as such holding somebody as weak due to their belief in God again appears to be unfair.


Agnostic here, To flat out not believe in God is narrow minded, Also to flat out believe in God without admitting the alternative possibility of him not existing, Is also Narrow Minded.

That isn't technically agnosticism. The agnostic does not say that he does not know whether God exists; he says that we cannot know whether God exists. His position is much stronger than the position that you have proposed and would also be classed as narrow minded (if we take narrow mindedness to mean what you imply).
 
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