Poll: Who believes in God?

Your beliefs

  • I believe in God

    Votes: 135 13.4%
  • I do not believe in God

    Votes: 445 44.1%
  • I used to believe but have lost my faith

    Votes: 42 4.2%
  • I used to disbelieve but have found my faith

    Votes: 7 0.7%
  • I believe there is "something" but not sure what

    Votes: 200 19.8%
  • I'm Agnostic

    Votes: 167 16.6%
  • I believe in multiple deities

    Votes: 13 1.3%

  • Total voters
    1,009
I was talking about intelligent design.

I apply a potential resistance V across this wire of resistance R, the current is measured at value I. V is equal to IxR. This could be their mathematical relation ship or.... you guessed it... MAGIC MAN DONE IT. That's what creationism is like.

Creationism is completely unfounded, if you believe it then you are doing it because you want to show how good your faith is, because you can ignore facts and a good solid theory, and believe in magic instead.

You haven't grasped it at all have you.

It's an example of how science doesn't prove anything, it just looks for the simplest method, not the correct method.
 
There obviously is something out there, I mean science does proove that god making the earth in 7 days and all that is just one big load of crap but I rekon there maybe some sort of life above out existance or something, like a higher level that is powerfull and people would refer to as god. And its a fact the big bang was the start of the universe, well at least it is at the moment, but what made the big bang happen, apparently there is an answer just human brains are not powerful enough to think of things like that or something, Maybe it was a 'god'?. There is something out there, I dont think god or jesus existed though, and I dont believe in heaven or hell, but the thing is, when we die, something must happen, that cant be the end and its all just black or we just dont live, something has to happen. So there maybe a god of some sort, not as we see it, wont be called a god, might just be a higher life form.
 
There obviously is something out there, I mean science does proove that god making the earth in 7 days and all that is just one big load of crap

Actually it does nothing of the sort.

but the thing is, when we die, something must happen, that cant be the end and its all just black or we just dont live, something has to happen.

Why can't that happen? the electrical signal in your brain cease. It's a perfectly good possibility that that's it.
 
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But it does :confused:, the way the earth, solar system and everything was formed goes against it, maybe it could be wrong, but god making the earth in 7 days cant be true.

why can't it? you think an all powerful satan who's biggest accomplishment was to make people believe he didn't exist,plant red hearings.
 
No but I understand it can bring comfort to people and therefore tolerate it.

(God is reading this thread and crossing off a few people :) )
 
You haven't grasped it at all have you.

It's an example of how science doesn't prove anything, it just looks for the simplest method, not the correct method.

What I'm talking about is that the Big Bang Theory yes, is a theory, but it at least has data that backs it up. Whereas creationism has no evidence at all. Believing in creationism requires complete and utter 100% blind faith, there is actual evidence to support the theory.
 
What I'm talking about is that the Big Bang Theory yes, is a theory, but it at least has data that backs it up. Whereas creationism has no evidence at all. Believing in creationism requires complete and utter 100% blind faith, there is actual evidence to support the theory.

No scientific evidence. That's the problem. Your trying to use science to disprove something that it wasn't designed for.

There's only one logical position which is agnostic. We simply don't know. You are also only looking at two Christian and muslim religions.
 
Very true. But proof is sometimes entirely subjective. For reference, take Flatland. The sphere is defined as an entity, however, the flatlands only see a circle that changes size as the sphere passes through the plane. There is not way in the terms of flatland to determine *what* the sphere is, only that it changes shape.

Just because either through science, or by the very nature of our universe it is not possible to rationally define something, does not mean that it does not exist - this is the very *definition* of "higher level", ie it requires more to define it. Without a third dimension, it is impossible to define a 3d object. It doesn't matter how many points you use, if they are all 2D points, it is still a 2D object. A 3d object requires *more*, and if this is not within the realm of 2D to represent, it doesn't matter whether you believe or do not believe in it, there is no way to prove/represent something in this system.

I think you're confusing your arguments. That flatlander story is normally used to give weight to arguments of more dimensions than the standard 3. This seems contrary to your other statement that our thought processes and science may not allow us to define a deity.
 
I think you need to stop trolling now acidhell.

Intelligent design isn't a theory of the universe, it says that humans are too complicated to have evolved by chance. I also think it specifically says science can't explain evolution.

Its not a scientific theory which is why no is interested. If you are going to use that an example then you really have no idea what you are on about.

A better example would be the equivalance of Heisenberg and Schrodinger pictures. thats been worrying me for a while now. As you said different mechanisms but same result.



*goes to work this one.
 
Its not a scientific theory which is why no is interested. If you are going to use that an example then you really have no idea what you are on about.

It says that there is no evidence for evolution between species, which there isn't.
Both give the same results, but science is only interested in evolution, due to it being the simplest.
 
A better example would be the equivalance of Heisenberg and Schrodinger pictures. thats been worrying me for a while now. As you said different mechanisms but same result.

*goes to work this one.

Mathematically the same.
 
Big bang theory for example...

How can nothing be made into something?

Scientist have pure faith in this notion.

Actually, scientists don't have pure faith in this.

It is however, a theory, with a lot of evidence to support it. Which is why people are currently prepared to go along with it. If somebody was to posit a better theory, with evidence, no doubt the consensus would change.
That is the beauty of science, and the weakness of religion.

I see no reason to respect ignorance.
 
yes there is for one example. evolution vs intelligent design. Both have the same beginning and the same end. Both predict the data correctly. However science is not interested in intelligent design, because it is not the simplest mechanism. Just because it's the simplest mechanism does not mean it's the correct mechanism.

This isn't correct. Science is not interested in ID because the concept isn't testable. Irreducable complexity is not something that you can test scientifically. It isn't really a case of "simplest mechanism" in this case.
 
This isn't correct. Science is not interested in ID because the concept isn't testable. Irreducable complexity is not something that you can test scientifically. It isn't really a case of "simplest mechanism" in this case.

yeah.
But even if it was testable it still wouldn't be interested.
 
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yeah.
But even if it was testable it still wouldn't be interested.

It would be somewhat more interested as you could actually build a theory around it, it could then be dimissed using Occams razor. But as it isn't testable at all, then it isn't science. Also, looking at how it came about it is obvious that it is just creationism rebadged.
 
Also, looking at how it came about it is obvious that it is just creationism rebadged.

A lot of theories are based on older stuff. So that doesn't prove anything.

It's not much different from more complicated science theories. they are untestable, but are still theories.
Any theory which is not the simplest isn't testable. unless it comes up with a way to show a result that wouldn't happen in the accepted theory.
 
A lot of theories are based on older stuff. So that doesn't prove anything.

It's not much different from more complicated science theories. they are untestable, but are still theories.
Any theory which is not the simplest isn't testable. unless it comes up with a way to show a result that wouldn't happen in the accepted theory.

That may be true but the newer theories still have to agree with the older ones at the correspondence limit
 
yes there is for one example. evolution vs intelligent design. Both have the same beginning and the same end. Both predict the data correctly. However science is not interested in intelligent design, because it is not the simplest mechanism. Just because it's the simplest mechanism does not mean it's the correct mechanism.

Sorry, but that's rubbish. The reason science is not interested in the creation mechanism, is because there is not a single shred of evidence to support it.

Whereas the theory of evolution is consistently backed up by the evidence.
 
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