Good car for fuel economy?

[TW]Fox;11818071 said:
Compare the Cooper D to the One becuase it's ridiculously slow, like the One.
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You have a funny idea of ridiculously slow, The Cooper D is a little diesel car that can match ,if not better, many a "Hot Hatch" from not too many years ago.
 
I just sold my Alfa Romeo petrol and bought a Rover 75 diesel for exactly the same price. I still haven't put fuel in it after one week of ownership when the Alfa would have required at least two fills. Sod performance it comes at too high a cost nowadays.
 
R124/LA420 said:
You have a funny idea of ridiculously slow, The Cooper D is a little diesel car that can match ,if not better, many a "Hot Hatch" from not too many years ago.
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indeed. 9 seconds to 60 and 60mpg aint half bad, its not meant to be a hot hatch, its a diesel mini.
 
The Mini is a fun, funky, cool, hatch. It suits a nice petrol engine. Don't ruin it by ordernig one that sounds like a minicab and shakes the dashboard at traffic lights.

Diesels are for big mileage munchers not quirky towncars.
 
The engine is very refined for a 4 cylinder diesel and wont shake at traffic lights at all.. because the engine shuts off. It has clearly been designed to work as a town car and works very well - I'd certainly rather drive one than the other ECO town cars on offer from VW, Toyota etc
 
vila said:
The engine is very refined for a 4 cylinder diesel and wont shake at traffic lights at all.. because the engine shuts off. It has clearly been designed to work as a town car and works very well - I'd
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I have been out in both the Cooper D and Cooper twice now the first time I was just out in the D then a week later took a petrol out. Recently I took both out right after each other.

Noise wise they both sound much the same, and certainly better that the Cooper S that does actually sound like an old diesel. My view was that there was not much noticeable difference inside with only a slight hint out side. They both took off much the same.

The kicker is that and this is from people that have both D for there wife and S for themselves that the D has the same torque as the S and is just as quick between 40-70 with exceptional over taking.

As discussed the old One D I’ve never been out in one but its only a 1.4 and this Newer Cooper D is a totally different beastie

Engine: 1.6 litre, 4 cylinder/16 V

Max. output/hp/revs: 110 hp at 4000 rpm

Max. torque: 240Nm between 1,750 and 2,000rpm
260Nm at 2,000rpm with Overboost

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 9.9 s

Top speed: 121 mp/h

Fuel consumption (combined)¹: 64.2 mpg

CO2 emissions¹: 118g/km

Transmission: 6-speed manual
 
stewart.r@ntlwo said:
Respect to your thought but that’s your position. The Mini is a cash purchase with no loan and is currently the best car for depreciation just now, Road tax is £20 this year nothing next. I plan to keep it anyway for years so every time the price at the pumps jump it will make better sense.

Also with extended TLC its service free for eight years.

I could go out and get anything so I could lose on a brand new Audi TT does that make better sense?

But to tie it back in my Honda has never let me down and its old now….. and worth around 1K which is shocking if you knew what I'm in company with friend wise with there cars.
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I was generalising. I've heard similar comments to this thread going on around work for the last couple of weeks. Three of the lads on my team have chopped in their hot hatches for diesels in the last week. One bought a new C4 HDI (with big loan payments), the others got late 90s 306 DTs (how difficult is it to find an unchavved one!) out of AutoTrader.

I can't understand how people can justify £250/300 a month on a car loan at the moment just to save £40 a month in fuel.

If you're paying cash then go for it. Mini's hold their value very well, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
 
MagicBoy said:
Mini's hold their value very well, I'm sure you will enjoy it.
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One my bosses bought a brandnew mini cooper Convertible about 3 years ago for around £16,000....
a few months ago he tryed trading it in for a brandnew car and the garges are now only offering about £8,000 for it...
 
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vila said:
I'd certainly rather drive one than the other ECO town cars on offer from VW, Toyota etc
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I’d rather drive it actually over most I’ve tried from BMW’s (Z4 excluded) the three series was just plan boring to me with no spirit. I think it comes from trying to find a 57 Focus Silver in the super market car parks and seeing ten in front of me.


It Sounds like a last option when it certainly is not, it’s a great wee car but then we have the roads for it up here in Scotland. I know people that have the Aston DB9, X5 BMW and a new cooper sits beside them, when they could have had anything.
 
Trade in value is always low tho - they'd have it back on the forecourt for £10k+ after a quick valet, which is what he could ask for a private sale if he didn't want trade in convenience.
 
I know from forums that Mini dealers especially are low and as you said a few were annoyed by buying new Mini’s only to drive past a few weeks later to see there trade in 2K more.

There only offering £800 for the Civic at the Mini dealers on a 16K car, Honda offered £1200 but dont like the new Civic at all.
Considering its got a new cam belt fitted last summer and complete new exhaust it pains me but at the time I needed the car to spend some time down in Yorkshire and needed it spot on before I went down.
 
stewart.r@ntlwo said:
this Newer Cooper D is a totally different beastie

Engine: 1.6 litre, 4 cylinder/16 V

Max. output/hp/revs: 110 hp at 4000 rpm

Max. torque: 240Nm between 1,750 and 2,000rpm
260Nm at 2,000rpm with Overboost

Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 9.9 s

Top speed: 121 mp/h

Fuel consumption (combined)¹: 64.2 mpg

CO2 emissions¹: 118g/km

Transmission: 6-speed manual
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Hence my comment about it bettering a "Hot Hatch" from not too many years back. :)
 
Mk1 1.8 Clio valver. Got an absolute minimum of 33mph when thrashing it on public roads, whilst driving sedately got at least 36mpg, and dual carriageway got an absolute minimum of 42mpg even when travelling at a constant 90mph (or higher on test tracks constant speeds), so I would suspect that only going 55-70mph on a motorway would get you at least 45mpg. The only downside is the 1.8 engine road tax, oh and you may need a new hip after working the cable clutch ;) (Measured trying to catch a plane 200 miles away btw, not a normal thing).

Shouldn't have sold it given the current fuel prices.

Oh btw, I now take the bus which costs me £20 a week but the wife has to drop me off into the nearest town 7 miles away. It is horrible but dreading paying out £340+ insurance/£180 tax?/Fuel prices on a 2ltr turbo 200sx (s13). Really inconvienent but to do and I can't stand the bus for all the morons on there but it works.

Matthew
 
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Toyota Yaris 1.4 D4D, holds the world record for the highest milage on one gallon of fuel. 130 miles! BMW used the same engine in the mini. So a yaris or mini is the best place to look for ultimate MPG.

I went from a 1.6 puma to a 1.9 DCi megane and I would stay straight line speed there is not much in it between them. But the diesel returns much better MPG. The puma was costing aroud £30 a week and the diesel is costing me £50 every three weeks! Huge difference
 
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