Nail....head? Cameron attacks stealth tax

I like Cameron (especially as he's my local MP) - and what he's saying here is absolutely right.

I don't see how hiking my road tax from £210/year to £430/year is going to help, apart from annoy me. It's not going to make me drive less or anything... if anything it'd make me drive more because I've paid so much for the awful roads we have to use.
It will put off people buying cars which pollute a lot unnecessary, when there are more modern cars that pollute less. Also, the tax hopes to encourage you into ditching your current car for a cleaner one.
 
Also, the tax hopes to encourage you into ditching your current car for a cleaner one.

Yes, but you are blinded. The "Green" cycle of changing car to a modern one outweighs keeping an existing car. Reducing the carbon cycle this way is flawed and I am sure somebody like Fox will educate you further or explain this better.
 
It will put off people buying cars which pollute a lot unnecessary, when there are more modern cars that pollute less.

This is fine - and a tax on cars registered after the date of the budget would acheive this. It would affect peoples purchasing decisions, thats good.

Also, the tax hopes to encourage you into ditching your current car for a cleaner one.

And what happens to your current car once you are encouraged to ditch it? Does it vanish? Does it get scrapped?

No - somebody else will buy it from you and continue to drive it. Taxing EXISTING cars in this way has ZERO ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT WHATSOEVER.

It really is that simple.

It doesnt matter whether somebody choses an eco friendly USED car or not becuase the cars already exist.
 
it anoys me that the people who cant afford it have to get 6 months tax and end up paying more for over the 12 months.
 
It will put off people buying cars which pollute a lot unnecessary, when there are more modern cars that pollute less. Also, the tax hopes to encourage you into ditching your current car for a cleaner one.

It isn't even a thought that's entered my mind - I won't be changing because the tax is rising.
 
Me neither, what I will be doing though is increasing my car usage. Currently I often walk places or use the train - once I've paid £415 for a years tax, however, I want maximum value for money.
 
It isn't even a thought that's entered my mind - I won't be changing because the tax is rising.

Agreed, I am looking at a more uneconomical car which is a tree killer regardless... it's my hobby and I intend on seeing it through regardless of costs. Tax won't put me off, just peev me off. :(
 
It will put off people buying cars which pollute a lot unnecessary, when there are more modern cars that pollute less. Also, the tax hopes to encourage you into ditching your current car for a cleaner one.
But people are allowed to buy boats, planes, etc that pollute a lot more then cars :p

(My last sports boat i owned could burn up to about 22gallons an hour of fuel...)
 
Also polluting cars before this tax are just getting passed around in different markets.. The only way they disappear is when they expire. It's not really solving anything is it?
 
The pressure is mounting. It is only a matter of time before there is an about turn on this.

Im currently shopping around for a new car and this is going to hit me hard. My tax will go up from £120 ish to around £400. The laughable thing is that I am moving house and my mileage will drop from 15-16000 P/A in my diesel, to sub 3000 in the new one. Yet I will have to pay four times as much tax....
I will also be close enough to walk to work in 5 minutes, which means my car is off the road during peak times. None of this is taken into account though.

I have accepted it, but Im not happy about it. It doesnt make any actual sense, no matter what spin you put on it. I certainly wont be polluting as much as your typical Mondeo rep doing 100,000 miles a year in his Diesel mondeo, yet he will be paying £115. Go figure.
 
So do the new cars.

huh? cars that haven't been ordered don't exist!!!

thats the whole point, if NEW cars are whacked with huge premiums to make them less attractive then a) the arse will fall out of the gas guzzling market b) far fewer of them will end up on the roads c) manufacturers will be forced even more to extract more and more performance out of smaller co2 emmissions to keep sales moving of higher end cars

To me thats win/win, you influence the amount of gas guzzlers on the road and force change with the manufacturers.

Why would a car manufacturer give a toss if your 5yr old mondeo wasn't fuel efficient?

What if you're on a low income and happen to have a more polluting car which was within your budget to buy and run before but a doubling of road tax now take it out of that bracket?

What are you supposed to do? Throw your now worthless car (thanks to it costing a fortune in tax) away and walk? green yes but hardly the sign of a free country.

Rob a bank?

I'm absolutely bought into heavy charges on new cars to influence behaviour but unless calamity brown plans to invent a time machine I fail to see how he can influence behaviour I've already behaved.
 
So do the new cars.

Except they don't - at least not long term. Cars are built to order, or projected demand. Nobody ordernig = nobody producing.

Ok there are container ports full of standard stuff like Fiestas but 'gas guzzlers' like BMW's, Mercedes etc etc are almost always factory orders.
 
huh? cars that haven't been ordered don't exist!!!

thats the whole point, if NEW cars are whacked with huge premiums to make them less attractive then a) the arse will fall out of the gas guzzling market b) far fewer of them will end up on the roads c) manufacturers will be forced even more to extract more and more performance out of smaller co2 emmissions to keep sales moving of higher end cars

To me thats win/win, you influence the amount of gas guzzlers on the road and force change with the manufacturers.

Why would a car manufacturer give a toss if your 5yr old mondeo wasn't fuel efficient?

What if you're on a low income and happen to have a more polluting car which was within your budget to buy and run before but a doubling of road tax now take it out of that bracket?

What are you supposed to do? Throw your now worthless car (thanks to it costing a fortune in tax) away and walk? green yes but hardly the sign of a free country.

Rob a bank?

I'm absolutely bought into heavy charges on new cars to influence behaviour but unless calamity brown plans to invent a time machine I fail to see how he can influence behaviour I've already behaved.

Im fairly sure I read somewhere that it is actually less green to destroy the car than to carry on using it. So its lose all round :D
 
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