Mr Thompson and Counter Strike

No, you said military training is "designed to make killers out of men" and then somehow, for reasons totally beyond my comprehension, connected that with shooting people in video games. Military training is designed to make soldiers out of men, not killers, and if you don't see the difference then that's pretty sad.

Like I said; When soldiers return to civilian life after all their training (and in many cases experience in real warfare) they aren't compulsive killers like the people who commit school shootings and murder.

Military training, video games, violent media etc. do not simply flip a switch in a person's head that turns them into a murderer. This is generally caused by underlying conditions and/or long periods of massive stress or trauma.

I see your point, in my saying killers and you saying soldiers, but what good would a soldier be if he wasnt a trained killer?
On your 2nd point, who apart from you said anything about them being compulsive killers. Saying that someone is a trained killer is completely different to saying that they are a murderer. Would you call every soldier that has defended his country a murderer? I certainly didnt suggest it.
On your 3rd point, although I didnt say anything about flipping a switch, that is partly what military training is designed to do. If you notice I didnt mention video games or violent media flipping any kind of kill switch, I didnt even suggest Steven Kazmierczak had played any such games. So I dont know why youre aiming that remark at me, further more I'd like to see proof of your generalisation, thanks.
 
I've been shooting people in the face with an M4 shotgun over the last 7 years on CS and CS:S, my shots are roughly 70% accurate and there are the odd occasions where I kill an entire team of Counter-Terrorist members whilst on a rampage.

Am I going to kill you next?

:rolleyes:

Sorry jones, but those CT's you've been killing aren't actually been in the game you shot 5 members of Southsea police force. You've been on the run for the last 6 months under the delusion you've been in a video game. It's time to do the right thing and tun your self in. :(
 
I see your point, in my saying killers and you saying soldiers, but what good would a soldier be if he wasnt a trained killer?
On your 2nd point, who apart from you said anything about them being compulsive killers. Saying that someone is a trained killer is completely different to saying that they are a murderer. Would you call every soldier that has defended his country a murderer? I certainly didnt suggest it.
Calling a soldier a "killer" in the first place to me is no different than calling them a murderer. They might be required to kill, mainly before they are killed themselves, but they aren't trained to kill people indiscriminately or to kill a helpless victim which is what calling someone a "killer" implies to me.

Not only that, but as I said before; I've known more than a few soldiers and none of them say that killing is easy at all, or that they can do it with no emotion. More that they are trained to force it to the back of their mind to make sure they don't make fatal mistakes, and they still end up getting worked up over it later.

This is not the same behaviour as someone who shoots up a school without emotion and then kills themself.

On your 3rd point, although I didnt say anything about flipping a switch, that is partly what military training is designed to do. If you notice I didnt mention video games or violent media flipping any kind of kill switch, I didnt even suggest Steven Kazmierczak had played any such games. So I dont know why youre aiming that remark at me, further more I'd like to see proof of your generalisation, thanks.
Military training does not train you to kill innocent people without emotion, it trains you to kill someone who is going to kill you first if you give them the opportunity. In the cases of school shootings, or in the case of any non-defensive murder, these people are killing innocent people for no good reason.

It takes a lot more than military training or playing violent games to make someone capable of doing this. Most murders tend to be committed by people who can't seem to help themselves, don't seem to think killing is wrong at the time, or are "crimes of passion", and generally these people either have something wrong with them or have been driven to doing something crazy by serious problems in their lives.
 
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Sorry jones, but those CT's you've been killing aren't actually been in the game you shot 5 members of Southsea police force. You've been on the run for the last 6 months under the delusion you've been in a video game. It's time to do the right thing and tun your self in. :(

NEVER!
*Heads into TeeSide, migrated himself to CS_Italy*

Now to kill more rebels!
 
Ban using knives in cooking.

They teach you how to wield a knife which therefore could be used to kill someone !

Line up these pc idiots and let 6 year old counter strike players shoot them with awps.
 
Ban using knives in cooking.

They teach you how to wield a knife which therefore could be used to kill someone !

Line up these pc idiots and let 6 year old counter strike players shoot them with awps.

Probably only be abple to shoot them in the knees and even then dislocate their shoulders :p
 
Calling a soldier a "killer" in the first place to me is no different than calling them a murderer. They might be required to kill, mainly before they are killed themselves, but they aren't trained to kill people indiscriminately or to kill a helpless victim which is what calling someone a "killer" implies to me.
google define said:
define: murderer - a criminal who commits homicide
killer - someone who causes the death of a person or animal
Sorry but there is a clear difference there. For someone that is so pedantic I thought you'd have picked up on that.
Not only that, but as I said before; I've known more than a few soldiers and none of them say that killing is easy at all, or that they can do it with no emotion. More that they are trained to force it to the back of their mind to make sure they don't make fatal mistakes, and they still end up getting worked up over it later.

This is not the same behaviour as someone who shoots up a school without emotion and then kill themselves.

Military training does not train you to kill innocent people without emotion, it trains you to kill someone who is going to kill you first. In the cases of school shootings, or in the case of any non-defensive murder, these people are killing innocent people for no good reason.

It takes a lot more than military training or playing violent games to make someone capable of doing this. Most murders tend to be committed by people who can't seem to help themselves, don't seem to think killing is wrong at the time, or are "crimes of passion", and generally these people either have something wrong with them or have been driven to doing something crazy by serious problems in their lives.
Point out to me where I said military training trains soldiers to kill innocent people and maybe then you deserve an answer to that.
You think a sniper half a klick from his target is acting to directly defend himself? I dont know what candy coated world you live in but not every military related kill is self defense.
Why do you just spout the same generalisation out when I asked you last time for some form of proof.
For a start I didnt say it was either/or only military training or video gaming that has an attributing factor on whether a) a soldier kills an ememy, or b) a person murders another person. I only said that (imo) the purpose of military training is to make killers out of men.
 
LOL didn't they propose this once? At least with big meat knives or something? :D

God damn it! If that *ever* comes into action, which I sincerely hope it'll never, I won't be able to cook!

Or at least cut up my veg and meat. I'm oriental and almost all orients own a cleaver. Nothing more orient than chopping baby carrots with a big cleaver.
 
Sorry but there is a clear difference there. For someone that is so pedantic I thought you'd have picked up on that.
Go up to a soldier and call him a killer. Hopefuly he'll explain the difference instead of knocking you out.

I made it pretty clear I wasn't reading from a dictionary here, just that there's a big difference in how the word killer is perceived.

You think a sniper half a klick from his target is acting to directly defend himself? I dont know what candy coated world you live in but not every military related kill is self defense.
I didn't say that every military-related kill is related to self-defence, and how many soldiers are snipers? Snipers still play a role that is intended to minimise friendly casualties either way.

Why do you just spout the same generalisation out when I asked you last time for some form of proof.
What generalisation is that? That murderers are generally irrational people with no good reason to kill somebody? You really want me to prove this to you?

For a start I didnt say it was either/or only military training or video gaming that has an attributing factor on whether a) a soldier kills an ememy, or b) a person murders another person. I only said that (imo) the purpose of military training is to make killers out of men.
And I still say that you obviously don't understand what a soldier's job is. Read what I said in my previous post about how soldiers feel about being "a killer" and if they do it without emotion or remorse.

Then continue to compare them to people who shoot up schools.
 
God damn it! If that *ever* comes into action, which I sincerely hope it'll never, I won't be able to cook!

Or at least cut up my veg and meat. I'm oriental and almost all orients own a cleaver. Nothing more orient than chopping baby carrots with a big cleaver.

Do you remember Yan can cook (sp?) He was pro with a cleaver :p
 
Haha, please dont make me pick apart what you just said. I'll leave it at show me where I directly compared a soldier to "people who shoot up schools".

He should really re-read the thread from start to finish. Every single last assumption he made his posts on, he made and no one else ever said. You're right, soldiers are trained to be killers, this has been common knowledge and a fairly common saying you hear in tv, film, press, books for decades as a way of describing what becoming a soldier is be it historical media or a made up story. its very common and the intention behind the wording is known by apparently everyone in the world bar one.

He keeps talking about soldiers feeling emotion as if you said they don't, you didn't. You can act as a killer with ruthless efficiency, be it in self defence or not and feel yet not react based on your feelings, everyone is capable of this in any situation, soldiers are specifically trained not to react to emotion. yes its hard, no one said it isn't, no one said they don't feel, again, a point he brought up himself and argued against himself.

AS for Thompson, always has and always has been a pratt.

To say you can't gleam "any" training from games is pushing it too far though. How many people are born with the knowledge that as a sniper you need to aim infront of the target if its moving and in how many games have we all had to do this to make a kill in a game. This is something that could be put to use in the real world. however, if someone has a gun, practice with that would give them the same help. Who cares, games simply don't caused violent attacks, you can learn some basics to help you shoot a gun from books, net, games, film or actually using one, none of that will cause you to go nuts and kill everyone either.

Every single person in the world is capable of murder, you don't require training in any weapons, or any encouragement, you either decide to do it or not, the latter for most of us.
 
Latest Penny Arcade covers the usual Jack Thompson mockery...

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I'm not that amused myself. I guess I got bored of the ol' JT guy about a year ago.
 
well some people may loose reality with virtual world. but when i seen my friends little brother who is 5 years old and the i asked my self a question who he will be when he grows up ?
 
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