ISP's confirm 'End of The Internet' by 2012

mr.sly · 8 Jun 2008 at 23:49

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2

ISP's confirm 'End of The Internet' by 2012

Bell Canada and TELUS (formerly owned by Verizon) employees officially confirm that by 2012 ISP's all over the globe will reduce Internet access to a TV-like subscription model, only offering access to a small standard amount of commercial sites and require extra fees for every other site you visit. These 'other' sites would then lose all their exposure and eventually shut down, resulting in what could be seen as the end of the Internet.

Thoughts on this? And does anyone have any other sources?

helmutcheese · 8 Jun 2008 at 23:53

Watched a video with some foreigners talking about Virgin Media on this topic (guess some Polish immigrants as usual).

If peeps simply get of lazy butts and say NO, it will never happen.

I dont think the Yanks will let it happen, there past 2 leaders all signed up to the opposite.

The day it did happen would be day I cancel my ISP.

KNiVES · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:02

There are 60 billion websites. The owners of these websites will not stand by idly. Expect a backlash on a global scale and mass protests.

Sarduk · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:06

User market force determines everything. If there is demand, there is money, and 'they' will make the necessary changes to cope.

mr.sly · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:13

helmutcheese said:
Watched a video with some foreigners talking about Virgin Media on this topic (guess some Polish immigrants as usual).

If peeps simply get of lazy butts and say NO, it will never happen.

I dont think the Yanks will let it happen, there past 2 leaders all signed up to the opposite.

The day it did happen would be day I cancel my ISP.

Immigrants to their own country? And this video/article is by the same set of people.

fini · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:13

I'd worry far more about being able to get an IP in 2012 then anything else.

PhillyDee · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:19

fini said:
I'd worry far more about being able to get an IP in 2012 then anything else.

IPv6 Is currently on its way. But perhaps not quite quick enough.

fini · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:22

PhillyDee said:
But perhaps not quite quick enough.

My point exactly

mdjmcnally · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:23

I seriously doubt the end of the Internet. The number of businesses that rely on the Internet to do business with VPN's linking there offices and remote working, if any ISP seriously tried to take that away, I don't think many business would survive now without the Internet.

mr.sly · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:26

KNiVES said:
There are 60 billion websites. The owners of these websites will not stand by idly. Expect a backlash on a global scale and mass protests.

Well this article is only suggesting they'd limit major sites, for example, Google, Youtube, MSN. If you pay for the top package, you get access to all the major sites, plus the millions of smaller sites on the internet.

I'm struggling to understand why this is even happening apart from greedy companies trying to 0wn the internet. The end user should only be paying for zeros and ones, it shouldn't matter what site they're connecting to.

mr.sly · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:27

mdjmcnally said:
I seriously doubt the end of the Internet. The number of businesses that rely on the Internet to do business with VPN's linking there offices and remote working, if any ISP seriously tried to take that away, I don't think many business would survive now without the Internet.

They're not saying it's the end of the internet. But that it's the end of the internet as we know it today.

SlyReaper · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:29

The thing about this idea is: somebody has to do it first. When that somebody does that, it'll lose almost every customer and go out of business. Other ISPs will look at this and go "hmm, let's not".

almichev · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:31

I don't see how this can work. Anybody can set up a website - so is this going to be taken away from people? Or are you going to have to register with these ISPs? And what about people who rely on the internet for their own business and livelihood? They'll be seriously effected.

mr.sly · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:31

SlyReaper said:
The thing about this idea is: somebody has to do it first. When that somebody does that, it'll lose almost every customer and go out of business. Other ISPs will look at this and go "hmm, let's not".

I think it says in the video, that ISPs are aware of that. So they're banding together to make sure that no one has the option of switching to a "open" service.

mr.sly · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:32

almichev said:
I don't see how this can work. Anybody can set up a website - so is this going to be taken away from people? Or are you going to have to register with these ISPs? And what about people who rely on the internet for their own business and livelihood? They'll be seriously effected.

See post #10.

almichev · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:36

mr.sly said:
See post #10.

Yes but how about if some people don't want the major sites or refuse to pay for the top package?

Darkwave · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:39

almichev said:
Yes but how about if some people don't want the major sites or refuse to pay for the top package?

Then they don't get access to those sites. Think of it in terms of buying Sky, but not signing up for the sports package or movies package. You have to pay extra for them or you don't get them.

mr.sly · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:43

almichev said:
Yes but how about if some people don't want the major sites or refuse to pay for the top package?

Well, we can only go off the information in the article and video. But if you're not willing to pay to access the "true" internet. You'll be limited to a select few major websites (MSN, Hotmail, Yahoo) and you'd still have access to all the smaller sites (OcUK, TweakGuides).

This is similar to what Virgin Media suggested, limiting the speed of major sites like the BBC iPlayer. But these American ISPs seem to want the end user to pay (more) whereas Virgin wanted the BBC and other high bandwidth sites to contribute to the running of the company.

mr.sly · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:45

Ulfhedjinn said:
Then they don't get access to those sites. Think of it in terms of buying Sky, but not signing up for the sports package or movies package. You have to pay extra for them or you don't get them.

Good analogy. Basically all the small sites are like freeview, then the high bandwidth sites, YouTube, MySpace and so on, are like Sky Movies and Sky Sports.

Darkwave · 9 Jun 2008 at 00:45

mr.sly said:
Good analogy. Basically all the small sites are like freeview, then the high bandwidth sites, YouTube, MySpace and so on, are like Sky Movies and Sky Sports.

Exactly.