Most interesting thing i saw was the bit about 4850X2 which could put quad gpu into the mainstream and would also be a very powerful setup as well. Ati seem to have a good strategy going however the cards pan out and it certainly appeals more then the Nvidia approach of "look we've got big new cards now get that bank loan and buy em".
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ATI ahead of nvidia in new gfx so far
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For me the slow downs on the 38** are a completely different issue and very noticeable. I've had xfire/Sli, 7950GX2, 3870X2 and a 9800GX2 and personally I've always been aware of the the odd lag in multi GPU frame timing, although never had a name for it. Initially became aware of it playing FEAR a couple years ago. I spent some time looking at fraps logs, switching modes and reading up on solutions (e.g. SLi hex flags). Iirc one guy had an app the spaced the frames out correctly. In the end I just learned to ignore it, much like the DLP rainbow effect. Its not a big deal, although if I'm honest I still prefer the 'feel' from a single GPU solution. As long as they use the PLX PCi-e bridge I think frame lag/latency will remain. Hopefully as rumors suggest, they've moved on to a high bandwidth shared memory space with the 4870X2.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=47683
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mmmmmmm speculation...
if only some developers would get off their lazy asses and make some half-decent games to challenge 'next gen' gfx i would be interested. as it happens, apart from Crysis (which is not worth spending over 150 quid on for good performance) i fail to see the need for ultra fast (expensive) gfx cards right now apart from to pimp your rig. which is very sad imo...8800gt/gts/gtx still runs everything on full so WHERE ARE THE NEW GAMES dammit
if only some developers would get off their lazy asses and make some half-decent games to challenge 'next gen' gfx i would be interested. as it happens, apart from Crysis (which is not worth spending over 150 quid on for good performance) i fail to see the need for ultra fast (expensive) gfx cards right now apart from to pimp your rig. which is very sad imo...8800gt/gts/gtx still runs everything on full so WHERE ARE THE NEW GAMES dammit
mmmmmmm speculation...
if only some developers would get off their lazy asses and make some half-decent games to challenge 'next gen' gfx i would be interested. as it happens, apart from Crysis (which is not worth spending over 150 quid on for good performance) i fail to see the need for ultra fast (expensive) gfx cards right now apart from to pimp your rig. which is very sad imo...8800gt/gts/gtx still runs everything on full so WHERE ARE THE NEW GAMES dammit
Yes im sure your set-up would run everything at 2560x1600 4XAA 16xAF at 60 V-Sync accept for Crysis.
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Age of Conan at high resolution and settings will seriously tax any modern gfx card, so it's not just Crysis anymore.
Im playing AOC at 1920x1200 and in some areas I have about 20fps, with non maxed settings bars, I know it's a buggy engine but its still another game that likes power.
Im playing AOC at 1920x1200 and in some areas I have about 20fps, with non maxed settings bars, I know it's a buggy engine but its still another game that likes power.
Absolutely, amazing how the ATI goons play dumb...
lol, they know full well that having 2 GPUs on one card is hardly ideal and is STILL an endless source of problems and little glitches....
How long has "SLI" or similar technology been around for now....oooohhhh the modern varient...what 5-6 years?
Its not a driver problem, how many times have I heard that over the past x number of years...
"Just you wait till ATI sorts out the drivers..." yaddah yaddah, heard it all before
Absolutely, amazing how the ATI goons play dumb...
lol, they know full well that having 2 GPUs on one card is hardly ideal and is STILL an endless source of problems and little glitches....
How long has "SLI" or similar technology been around for now....oooohhhh the modern varient...what 5-6 years?
Its not a driver problem, how many times have I heard that over the past x number of years...
"Just you wait till ATI sorts out the drivers..." yaddah yaddah, heard it all before
Nvidia fanboy much?
But you do have a point. Multiple GPU's is definately not the way forward. Just look at how bad multiple CPU's turned out....oh wait.
Yes im sure your set-up would run everything at 2560x1600 4XAA 16xAF at 60 V-Sync accept for Crysis.
and im sure we all have 24" + monitors and a need for 4xaa and 16af at that resolution. or should i just sit extremely close to the screen and spot the jaggies? no i see what you are saying but a bit extreme no?
not seen AoC in action so cant comment but there seems to be so much hype about true next gen cards but no games to make the most out of them which is surely the point in investing in the first place
Aint seen a 24" with that res but i have a 30" & there are quite few OcUk members with one as well and depending on the game jaggies & low quality AF can be quite visible & annoying.
My point is that your post with the "i fail to see the need for ultra fast (expensive) gfx cards right now apart from to pimp your rig" is not a fact & some people really do need more power for the monitor they have.
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well i see multicore gpu as a future good idea . as eventually you will not be able to fit everything in 1 gpu ? heat and different issues? but going multicore there is different issues, but i think the guys in ati are not a stupid bunch of lads and they trying there best to make everything as good as possible. and r700(4870x2 /4850x2) is something to look forward to
We are fully aware of the fact that a non multi GPU game will get single card results. pls link me to the post in this thread that said otherwise ?
But less problems than having 2 cards & not as many problems as people who have not used crossfire over the last 3 years like to make out.
Never used it.
Its not a driver problem, how many times have I heard that over the past x number of years...
"Just you wait till ATI sorts out the drivers..." yaddah yaddah, heard it all before
Learn to read an ATI Driver release log then you would see the multi gpu fixes, but seeing as your on a Nvidia card then driver fixes are not a thing your accustomed to & find it hard to believe that it can be any other way.
Even single gpu cards have problems with new games.
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But a 2x256 bit interface would imply that its two separate memory pools, thus likely just crossfire on 1 card, rather like NVs GX2 series cards. Does have the advantage of lower motherboard requirements, and generally better requirements though, compared to regular crossfire, or SLI.
This is true, however, specs are still not final, we don't even know for certain how many shaders RV770 has yet.
i really want AMD and ati (i know they're the same company) to bring out some killer cpu and gpu's
it's not healthy for us consumers having such a long 1 sided dominance
usually i only buy nvidia and amd, now i've got nvidia and intel
it's not healthy for us consumers having such a long 1 sided dominance
usually i only buy nvidia and amd, now i've got nvidia and intel
mmmmmmm speculation...
if only some developers would get off their lazy asses and make some half-decent games to challenge 'next gen' gfx i would be interested. as it happens, apart from Crysis (which is not worth spending over 150 quid on for good performance) i fail to see the need for ultra fast (expensive) gfx cards right now apart from to pimp your rig. which is very sad imo...8800gt/gts/gtx still runs everything on full so WHERE ARE THE NEW GAMES dammit
It is easy to make games like that, but virtually nobody can play them and hence will buy them.
It takes 2 years minimum to build a new game engine from scratch and then engineer a game around it, 12 months or maybe a little less to build an expansion on top of that existing new engine.
By which time, the next next gen are out...
If this card only has 1GB shared between 2 GPU's, like the 9800GX2, then it's going to suck for high res monitors of 1920x1200 and higher... as i found out with my GX2. Not enough memory and 256-Bit memory bus just isn't enough for high resolutions, especually with AA/AF (it needs more bandwidth). Although the GDDR5 memory might be fast enough to make the 256-Bit memory bus not matter as much, it will still be limited by 512MB usable VRAM for games.
In a way these cards kinda defeat the perpose of what they're made for... high res gaming with AA/AF... as most people with high res monitors will buy them, only to find the massive bottlenecks mentioned above.
For eample, if i run UT3, GRID, Crysis, COD4 (to name a few) at 2560x1600 with little of no AA/AF, or 1920x1200 with high AA and/or AF, even the MENU SCREEN is a slide show because of not enough VRAM.
Not enough people know about this and need to be warned before they lay there money down. It's a problem thats only going to get worse with future games.
In a way these cards kinda defeat the perpose of what they're made for... high res gaming with AA/AF... as most people with high res monitors will buy them, only to find the massive bottlenecks mentioned above.
For eample, if i run UT3, GRID, Crysis, COD4 (to name a few) at 2560x1600 with little of no AA/AF, or 1920x1200 with high AA and/or AF, even the MENU SCREEN is a slide show because of not enough VRAM.
Not enough people know about this and need to be warned before they lay there money down. It's a problem thats only going to get worse with future games.
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Love the bit where there giving manufacturers there own designs and cooling options 
Looks good but of course if money not an object buy 2x280s on CC still
Looks good but of course if money not an object buy 2x280s on CC still
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mmmmmmm speculation...
if only some developers would get off their lazy asses and make some half-decent games to challenge 'next gen' gfx i would be interested. as it happens, apart from Crysis (which is not worth spending over 150 quid on for good performance) i fail to see the need for ultra fast (expensive) gfx cards right now apart from to pimp your rig. which is very sad imo...8800gt/gts/gtx still runs everything on full so WHERE ARE THE NEW GAMES dammit
Try out AoC, the 8800's struggle.