Goalie charged

[DreXeL]

Well from that pic and the description of the damage it would appear that the Previa driver was just sat minding his own business when a ****** Mr big-shot slammed into the back of him, and I would guess that it was at quite some speed to fold the back of a Previa in and punt it off the road like that...

Of course that is all speculation, but that's how it looks to me.

If that does turn out to be the case I hope the ******* gets made an example of

 

[paradigm]

Certainly looks like the previa was just shunted from the back

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I cannot understand how someone who earns the money he does hasnt got insurance. (not that it would have saved those kids, just says to me he has no regard for anybody else on the road)
I hope they throw the book at him.

He likely did have insurance but if he was charged with excess alcohol then it would be invalid and thus a charge of no insurance would be authorised by the CPS.

 

[Steve]

OcUK RTA Investigation Team Investigates!

lol

looking at google maps the only place with no hard shoulder southbound near Keele services is Keele Services itself. also the thin line of trees and fence are before the services with thick woodland after it.

Perhaps he wanted the services and slammed into the back of the Toyota when he came out of the Outside lane (the only lane a RR Sport will be travelling in ) as that would explain the slightly heavier damage on the drivers side of the Range Rover

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=staffordshire+keele+service+station&ie=UTF8&ll=52.993769,-2.295789&spn=0.002816,0.010321&t=k&z=17

 

[paradigm]

He likely did have insurance but if he was charged with excess alcohol then it would be invalid and thus a charge of no insurance would be authorised by the CPS.

Nope.

He may well have invalidated his comprehensive cover, but he would have been insured for the third party regardless.

If he is being charged with driving without insurance, then he had... no insurance.

 

[[TW]Fox]

He likely did have insurance but if he was charged with excess alcohol then it would be invalid and thus a charge of no insurance would be authorised by the CPS.

What makes you say that? Being drunk in charge does not absolve an insurer of their obligations under the road traffic act.

Most policies for example include the words 'In the event of the insured being unfit to drive through the use of drink or drugs we reserve the right to restrict cover to that required by the Road Traffic Act.

So, they cannot NOT honour the third party therefore there is no case of no insurance.

 

[cheets64]

only image I could find, remember there is a foreshortening effect in this image, from the side the skid marks are far longer

Jesus 5 meters back and the kids could have survived, the odds on crashing in between both barriers. Shocking how there was no barrier in front of the ditch.

 

[Steve]

Jesus 5 meters back and the kids could have survived, the odds on crashing in between both barriers. Shocking how there was no barrier in front of the ditch.

My money is that the kids died on impact as the bbc site said that three others walked away from the crash, so with the possibly crippled dad and two dead kids there were 6 people in there.

Judging by the damage to the rear I think the kids were probably have been in the rear most seats which due to the tiny boot space would have taken the full impact of the rear impact.

The front and roof damage was over the drivers side

 

[DreXeL]

the tiny boot space

The boot space on the Previa is actually pretty big compared to most other 7/8 seater cars (I had no problems transporting an engine in mine without having to move the rear seats, with room to spare too). Which makes it all the more likely that it was hit at considerable speed

 

[Jotun]

Unless the Previa did this whilst travelling at what, 40mph, how would there have been a high enough speed differential to 'punt' the Previa off the road unless Mr Bling was traveling at 900mph?

I was wondering about this so did a bit of maths. Energy increases exponentially with speed (ke=0.5 x mass x velocity^2)

If the previa was travelling at 60mph (26.8m/s) and weighs 1755kg then it has 1.260MJ of kinetic energy

If the RR was going at 90mph (40.2m/s) and weighs 2455kg then it has 3.967MJ of kinetic energy, so about 3.14 times that of the previa, which could be enough to cause what happened, I'm no crash investigator so can't make a guess at that. Been a while since I've done this stuff but I think those calculations are right

Weights were from parkers and just guessing at some values for the speeds that are somewhat realistic, I'm sure some people here have cruised at 90mph before, and 60mph isn't ridiculously slow either. As I said though, just guessed at the values - the guy doesn't seem to have much common sense so I wouldn't be surprised if he was going faster.

 

[Steve]

The boot space on the Previa is actually pretty big compared to most other 7/8 seater cars (I had no problems transporting an engine in mine without having to move the rear seats, with room to spare too). Which makes it all the more likely that it was hit at considerable speed

Judging by the pic and am used to a Rangi boot so looked small

Shame no one saw 5 news as the damage to the Toyota was unbelivable and difficult to portray just how bad The Range Rover looked drivable, it really did just go inside the back of the Previa

 

[SpeedFreak]

do the skidmarks not appear to be between the two lanes to anybody else?

 

[Steve]

Can't see the rear unfortunatly

Rangie

The three survivors where a man and his two sons.

Apparantly they have witnesses so know what happened

 

[DreXeL]

Jesus, that Previa is mullered

It's the old shape Previa, the boot isn't quite as big as the second gen (I've owned both). They are strong old busses too, when I had my old one (same shape as that) I got hit hard from the rear by a Vectra. The Vectra was totalled, my Estima (Import Previa) just needed a new rear bumper.....

I'm stunned at the damage, that must have been an almighty impact

 

[cheets64]

Is that from the accident?

Major shunt and typical 4x4 destroying a car.

RIP to those 2 young kids, I hope this guy rots in jail for 10 years then kills himself.

 

[Stinky]

Is that from the accident?

Major shunt and typical 4x4 destroying a car.

RIP to those 2 young kids, I hope this guy rots in jail for 10 years then kills himself.

yes i agree he has done an awful thing. he has to live with the fact that he has killed 2 people, maybe paralyzed one for life! most likely destroyed his football career but i still think its harsh to wish the guy to commit suicide!

 

[Ev0]

The previa is a hefty vehicle but those Range Rovers are built like tanks are they not? On the face of it the damage to the front of the RR doesn't look much, until you think about how hard it must have hit to actually cause that compared to say a modern small hatch which crumples hitting something at 10mph.

 

[Scania]

As already hinted at by a few others here, one thing people should not assume is that you need a lot of force / impact to punt another vehicle off the road, quite the opposite I'm afraid.

Awful how, of all the places for this to happen, the Toyota managed to find a gap in the barriers.

I doubt it would have helped the two lads though, dead on impact I'd have thought.

RIP to them both and my deepest sympathy to the family, I am a father myself and cannot imagine the pain of the survivors, all of them.

 

[Dogbreath]

I'm suprised no-one has mentioned the time the accident happened. 5:45AM, he could have been incredibly tired and therefore his reactions no where near what they should have been, coupled with alcohol intake.

A recipe for distaster.

Right, but that doesn't excuse him in any way at all, in fact it makes it worse. Even if he was very tired that just another reason he shouldn't have been driving.

 

[Dogbreath]

Awful how, of all the places for this to happen, the Toyota managed to find a gap in the barriers.

It's quite incredible isn't it. A bit like the terrible Selby accident where the chap in the Land Rover went through a gap in the barrier. Sods law at work.