28 days is enough imo. There isn't an overwhelming enthusiasm for this from the police/security services either - it's just the government trying to look tough on terror without actually having a clue/unwilling to fight it properly.
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I'll take that risk to see my civil liberties protected, thank you.
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But what if that person was charged on the 29th day.
They should be treated the same as any other suspected criminal. If you steal a pencil from WH Smith or plot to kill people in a terrorist attack then until you have been convicted you should be treated the same and have the same rights. These are the foundations of our legal system.
every man is treated equally under law
every man is entitled to a fair trial by jury
and you are innocent until proven guilty
If you undermine one you undermine them all. You can't have different detention rules for different people depending on their crime before they have stood trial or been charged.
every man is treated equally under law
every man is entitled to a fair trial by jury
and you are innocent until proven guilty
If you undermine one you undermine them all. You can't have different detention rules for different people depending on their crime before they have stood trial or been charged.
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rofl, they don't need evidence. Therefore they could decide anyone of us is a terror suspect. Are you really that blinded by fear that you see this as a good idea. Don't you see how it affects everyone in this country and gives the goverment even more power to do what ever they wont.
When was the last time you were held as a suspect? You actually think it's realistic that they will come along and hold you for no reason?
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I don't think it should be increased. But if someone is suspected of something they are surely suspected for a reason, I cant see them just throwing anyone into a holding sell for 28 days.
I would rather they took a real suspect and moved them away from general population for 28 days, rather than leave that suspect alone with the chance of carrying out what they were initially suspected of.
I would rather they took a real suspect and moved them away from general population for 28 days, rather than leave that suspect alone with the chance of carrying out what they were initially suspected of.
That's what this law gives them a right to do. It's unlikely. But that is what this law allows.
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Wake up and smell the coffee. It is because people like you are willing to roll over for the Government because of the threat of "Terrorism" or whatever the threat of the day is that such stupid laws can be passed and our civil liberties erroded.
They don't need evidence, you don't get charged, you don't get a fair trial.
I would suggest you read AcidHell2's quote from the OP again and stop preaching the "If I have done nothing wrong I have nothing to hide" rhetoric.
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what the power to hold you an extra 14 days ? what do you mean ? how does this give them the power to do what they want us ?, how is this extra 14 days so different and will end up effecting us all ?
A Nottingham student was arrested and held for many days because he printed out an Al-Quaida training manual.
Problem was, his Master's thesis was Militant Islamism and its effects in Middle Eastern Societies.
The guy that printed it out for him now faces deportation on some made up immigration charge
I dont see how that quote is relevant to anything. It doesn't affect anyone apart from terror suspects.
It's not that different from the 28day. But taht should never of been passed either.
The reason it's always been 24 hours (ignoring extensions from a judge). Is because if they haven''t got any evidence why should they remove your rights. If they have evidence then charge you. It's a simple but affective policy which labour has destroyed and which has substantially weakened are legal system. Now they can use the terrorist card and hold you with no evidence at all.
Who's a terror suspect? no evidence is needed.
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But just because they can hold you with no evidence, Do you believe they would do so without at least just cause?
That's not really the point, it's now law. This goverment or a future goverment could do essentially that.
Wasn't there talk of arresting the fuel protesters blocking refiners on terrorist acts?
This law is far to open to abuse.
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It is not big a move to go from locking terror suspects up without charge for 42 days to going to say suspected benefit fraudsters and so on. Don't think this is plausible? Local councils have been using anti-terror laws to check on people to see if they live in school catchment areas and much more.
What's to say that you may be deemed to be a threat to national security and locked up without charge for 42 days? You don't get charged so you don't get a trial.