Goalie charged

dirtydog said:
I am saying that people aren't perfect and shouldn't be crucified for being imperfect human beings.
Click to expand...

What a ridiculous comment. Of course people aren't perfect, but there are degrees of imperfection that just can't be brushed under the carpet and excused by saying 'people aren't perfect'. What if it's proven that he killed two kids due to being drunk behind the wheel of a car? Hey, let's not crucify him, people aren't perfect.

Where do you draw the line? Lets not convict murderers and rapists because hey, humans aren't perfect. There are lots of things that can be excused by being down to human nature, drink-driving isn't one of them. If somebody is that week-willed that they can't resist getting behind the wheel of a car whilst ****** then they shouldn't have license, and they deserve all the 'crucifying' they get.
 
Last edited:
DreXeL said:
What a ridiculous comment. Of course people aren't perfect, but there are degrees of imperfection that just can't be brushed under the carpet and excused by saying 'people aren't perfect'. What if it's proven that he killed two kids due to being drunk behind the wheel of a car? Hey, let's not crucify him, people are't perfect.

Where do you draw the line? Lets not convict murderers and rapists because hey, humans aren't perfect.
Click to expand...

Not ridiculous (sic) at all ;)

Murderers and rapists do it deliberately... does the difference really need to be spelt out to you.
 
dirtydog said:
Murderers and rapists do it deliberately.
Click to expand...

And someone who gets in the car knowing theyve had a skinful the night before and knowing it takes 12 hours for the alcohol to get out of their system isnt doing it deliberately?
 
dirtydog said:
Not ridiculous (sic) at all ;)

Murderers and rapists do it deliberately... does the difference really need to be spelt out to you.
Click to expand...

And people who get behind the wheel whilst ****** do it by accident? 'Oh sorry ociffer, I slipped and fell into my car and drove it home by accident, it wasn't deliberate'.
 
knip said:
And someone who gets in the car knowing theyve had a skinful the night before and knowing it takes 12 hours for the alcohol to get out of their system isnt doing it deliberately?
Click to expand...

The thing is it wasn't even really the night before - he must have left at about 4.XX am to have been where he was at the time of the crash.

I'm sure if he was an immigrant people would be calling for his imminent death though. :D
 
dirtydog said:
Murderers and rapists do it deliberately... does the difference really need to be spelt out to you.
Click to expand...



Actually a high proportion don't - well over half of murders are NOT pre-meditated, and probably a similar number of rapes (especially given that a high proportion of rape victims knew their attacker long before the attack). Most murders at least are spur-of-the-moment crimes.


M
 
Meridian said:
Actually a high proportion don't - well over half of murders are NOT pre-meditated, and probably a similar number of rapes (especially given that a high proportion of rape victims knew their attacker long before the attack). Most murders at least are spur-of-the-moment crimes.


M
Click to expand...

I didn't say pre-meditated did I? I said deliberate - as opposed to an accidental act. Clearly the deaths which this thread is the subject of, were not in any way, shape or form, deliberate.

Do people understand what it is like to drink and drive? When you are drunk, you don't have rational judgement to realise you are unfit to drive. You feel perfectly fine to drive and it seems like a perfectly safe idea. The drink affects your judgement.

The best way to fix this is to fit all cars with breathalysers, linked to the ignition - but that isn't going to happen any time soon.
 
dirtydog said:
Killing people? Yes. Or do you think the footballer in this case deliberately killed the children?
Click to expand...

Where does the line of personal responsibility end? If an animal rights protester planted a bomb in a laboratory and it ended up killing two security guards should we just say "Nahh that's fine, they didn't deliberately kill anyone - move along".

While some of the reactions here saying "he should be hung!" etc are over the top your arguments seem to be just as crazy.
 
dirtydog said:
Killing people? Yes. Or do you think the footballer in this case deliberately killed the children?
Click to expand...

I'm not saying he did deliberately kill the children. I'm saying that it was no accident that he was behind the wheel in the first place. Even if he hadn't been involved in an accident he still shouldn't have been behind that wheel, simply saying 'he's only human' isn't an excuse. He made a concious decision to get behind that wheel, he deserves all the 'crucfying' he's getting. The same would apply even if he hadn't killed anyone.
 
his actions killed the children and thats what matters to me. i dont care if he "didnt mean it" too late for that now isnt it.

im sure he didnt mean to do it and he regrets it but he should have thought about that before getting in the car whilst over the limit

to many people like him think "ah ive only had a few pints ill be ok" or "ive had a few hours sleep ill be ok"
 
Wicksta said:
Where does the line of personal responsibility end? If an animal rights protester planted a bomb in a laboratory and it ended up killing two security guards should we just say "Nahh that's fine, they didn't deliberately kill anyone - move along".

While some of the reactions here saying "he should be hung!" etc are over the top your arguments seem to be just as crazy.
Click to expand...

Hmm, it can reasonably be expected that planting a bomb will result in injury.

Driving a car on the other hand, usually does not result in injury - even driving while over the limit.

As I just said, once you drink enough, your judgement goes to pot and you do silly things - like drive. Should someone be crucified for that - I don't think so.
 
dirtydog said:
As I just said, once you drink enough, your judgement goes to pot and you do silly things - like drive. Should someone be crucified for that - I don't think so.
Click to expand...

BUT the majority of people, as I have already said, dont get behind the wheel of a car, I could be completely out of my tree, I would still know its not a good idea to attempt to drive my car at that moment. In fact ive taken friends car keys off them who thought they were "ok" to drive when they werent.
 
dirtydog said:
Do people understand what it is like to drink and drive? When you are drunk, you don't have rational judgement to realise you are unfit to drive. You feel perfectly fine to drive and it seems like a perfectly safe idea. The drink affects your judgement.
Click to expand...

Funny that, no matter how **** faced I've got I've never deemed myself fit to drive. The same applies to millions of people. The idiots who do so are in the minority, and deserve all the flak that they get. Simply saying 'it's only human' doesn't wash, the millions who don't drink and drive are not some kind of super-human race.

dirtydog said:
As I just said, once you drink enough, your judgement goes to pot and you do silly things - like drive. Should someone be crucified for that - I don't think so.
Click to expand...

Millions of over people manage to not drive when drunk so yes, they deserve all the flak they get.
 
Last edited:
dirtydog said:
Do people understand what it is like to drink and drive? When you are drunk, you don't have rational judgement to realise you are unfit to drive. You feel perfectly fine to drive and it seems like a perfectly safe idea. The drink affects your judgement.
Click to expand...

Speak for yourself. No matter how much I have had to drink, whether it be 2 pints, a bottle of whiskey or anything in between, I have never thought driving was going to be perfectly safe.

Regarding his intent to kill the children, no I very much doubt he intended to kill anyone. However, he killed them through gross negligence on his part which I believe to count for manslaughter.
 
dirtydog said:
Hmm, it can reasonably be expected that planting a bomb will result in injury.

Driving a car on the other hand, usually does not result in injury - even driving while over the limit.

As I just said, once you drink enough, your judgement goes to pot and you do silly things - like drive. Should someone be crucified for that - I don't think so.
Click to expand...

They shouldn't be crucified for that (except maybe on internet forums) - however he must have been pretty hammered when he got in that car, not to mention tired after a heavy session. He has destroyed a whole family, they will never get over something like this.
 
Wicksta said:
They shouldn't be crucified for that (except maybe on internet forums) - however he must have been pretty hammered when he got in that car, not to mention tired after a heavy session. He has destroyed a whole family, they will never get over something like this.
Click to expand...

I am sure that in the cold light of day, when sobered up and after a sleep, he would never consider driving in the condition he did drive in. Yet at the time, because his judgement would have been heavily impaired, it no doubt seemed a good idea.

I speak from experience of having driven drunk myself so I know how the thought processes work when you've had a few (or more than a few).
 
dirtydog said:
I speak from experience of having driven drunk myself so I know how the thought processes work when you've had a few (or more than a few).
Click to expand...

Then you sir are an idiot, and if I knew where you lived I would shop you.
 
dirtydog said:
I speak from experience of having driven drunk myself so I know how the thought processes work when you've had a few (or more than a few).
Click to expand...

No, you know how YOUR thought processes work, and you, like this Range Rover driving ****, are in the minority thankfully.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom