I don't seek to justify the times I've driven when over the limit - it was very wrong.
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I don't seek to justify the times I've driven when over the limit - it was very wrong.
Maybe as someone who has driven over the limit, I have a unique perspective on this that most people in this thread probably don't have.
If anything your arguments are strengthening the case for longer sentances for drink-drivers. You are basically saying they can't help themselves from driving whilst drunk. Sounds like a damn good reason to lock them up and keep them off the roads for longer......
Quite the contrary I would say.
How so? If they can't help themselves then keeping them behind bars prevents them from picking up those keys.
Quite scary really, only needs a moment of concentration loss and you kill someone and your life is ruined. I'm sure plenty of people have took the risk of driving in the morning after a night out (admittedly not this early) and not been 100 % they are safe.
The fact he had no insurance seems to have made people instantly thought he was an idiot, which of course it's amazing that he doesn't have insurance.
I'm just not so sure, plenty of people on this forums have also driven way faster than legal on public roads as well as driven like a tool. Fortunately for those people and those around them nothing has gone wrong yet. (Touches Wood)
The fact he had no insurance seems to have made people instantly thought he was an idiot, which of course it's amazing that he doesn't have insurance.
I'm just not so sure, plenty of people on this forums have also driven way faster than legal on public roads as well as driven like a tool. Fortunately for those people and those around them nothing has gone wrong yet. (Touches Wood)
Jailing someone for a lengthy period for something they didn't do on purpose, doesn't strike me as very justified.
But this opens up the wider debate about whether - and/or to what degree - someone should be held responsible for their actions when under the influence of drink or drugs. Whether that leads them to drive, or to commit other crimes.
Indeed, and I daresay some of the pious crowd who say they would never drink and drive, have probably driven over the limit without realising it.
Because no one forced the drink or drugs down their necks they did it themselves, so when they did that they make themselves responsible for anything they may do. Hes an adult, responsible for his own actions.
I agree, and we all know I'm no angel and have done some daft things. But IMO there is a world of difference between that and driving whilst knowingly drunk.
Because no one forced the drink or drugs down their necks they did it themselves, so when they did that they make themselves responsible for anything they may do. Hes an adult, responsible for his own actions.
Have you never been drunk?
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I think I see where he is coming from though.
Lets think of an imaginary situation - you are out for a hoon with some UJCC mates. Everyone knows the driving style used when this sort of thing happens, say you misjudged a corner but unfortunately hit an uncoming car, killing everyone in it.
Many people would brand you a murderer and demand you go to jail for a very long time. But... should you? And if so, why?
Remember - there but for the grace of god and all that.. have you ever had a 'moment' where it was only luck (ie no uncoming traffic or whatever) not skill which saved you?
Yes, but I got a taxi or walked home.
agreed
and maybe if these idiots know theres a longer sentance it may help them remember to not drive
There are already stiff penalties for drink driving - huge fines, lengthy bans and jail time. You can be jailed even if you don't have an accident. Yet people still do it. For some people, when you are under the influence you lose your inhibitions and you don't care about the consequences - you feel emboldened and invincible. That is what alcohol does to the brain.
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You are absolutely right, the point is it's not in the same league as driving after a skinfull. At least when 'pushing on a bit' I am still in full control of my judgement and have my full reaction times. It's not in the same league IMO.
'pushing on a bit' could cause a fatal accident... and you wouldn't even have the defence that you were drunk, so didn't know what you were doing. You are saying you choose to drive that way, even when stone cold sober? Yet you take the moral high ground over drink driving
Ironic no?