Anybody here tried the Atkins Diet..?

It's a great diet if your the type of person who likes to balloon up as soon as you go back to eating carbs.

Eat a healthy diet where you take less calories in and use more calories up....thats all you need to do.
 
Freefaller said:
Best advice. Don't do gimmick "diets" - just change your lifestyle.
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THis would be where time carb/carb cycling aren't gimmicks, and neither are ketogenic, they are all based around carb limited diets which is simply how a healthy diet should be, very few carbs, mostly protein and fats.

Look at it this way, there are essential fats, there are essential proteins, theres not much essential about carbs, so which of the 3 should make up the large majority of our diets ;)

Diabetes and lots of heart problems all start from flucutating, large spiking insulin, its carbs that cause that. Our current eating patterns, similar to the USA are fairly different to most of the countries with in general healthier people and especially those who have far fewer weight problems and again its normally carbs, especially the refined kind which are the biggest difference.
 
drunkenmaster said:
THis would be where time carb/carb cycling aren't gimmicks, and neither are ketogenic, they are all based around carb limited diets which is simply how a healthy diet should be, very few carbs, mostly protein and fats.
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A balanced Diet is about 55-60% carbs, 25-30% protein and about 15% fat
 
Fat should be the main source of fuel, fat is allowed on Atkins, carbs are what are cut out, you said Atkins cuts out the bodies fuel. TO say you weren't saying carbs was that source of fuel would be a pedantic argument, its what you implied by what you said. Sure you can argue otherwise, but I wouldn't mind an explanation of how atkins cuts out your bodies source of fuel when it only cuts out carbs, if carbs isn't your main source.

Whoopdedoo, you eat carbs, no one on earth doesn't so you aren't living proof of, well, anything, because you haven't main a claim to be proven. Or have you, I'm not sure, apparently you infer things without actually writing them.

Lets see, you didn't say where you started. You want to be toned and unskinny, this would imply that at some point you were underweight, and you would therefore have been bulking up slightly to get muscley healthy and toned. This infers(because again you made no claims, and said nothing useful) that you are infact putting on weight. So you're eating carbs, and gaining weight is about all that can be "infered" from your posts. I was talking about losing weight, losing/gaining are basically mutually exclusive goals so how anything you've done, proves what I said was wrong, I really can't understand.

You can't physically eat a healthy diet without some carbs, most veg have some. I don't recall saying you shouldn't eat any. I did say low carbs is the best way to lose weight, and a low carb normal calorie diet makes for a very healthy maintainance diet which also have the side effects of low insulin. Gaining weight, you can simply increase the carbs, as you have done, don't remember claiming you couldn't do that.
 
Just to put it another way.

Carbs are fuel, You need fuel to excercise adaquately. Low carbs will help you lose weight, But so would more excercise.


I'm not talking about stuffing your face with white bread and pasta because that is quite unhealthy. Go Wholegrain, and you're set. Breakfast for me is Wholewheat toast and eggs. When i'm in work, I have a bowl of Wholewheat cereal and a protein shake. For lunch, Just a sandwich, Usually containing salad and chicken. And at night, Potatoes, Or whole wheat rice or pasta and some sort of meat or fish and plenty OH plenty of Veg

That IS a healthy diet, combined with excercise, it'll beat any low carb crap


I just saw what you put above, and I agree with some of that, My arguement with you was saying what I said is bull. And it wasnt. Nothing I said was bull.
 
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I do have to make 1 point. The Japanese, Other than Sumos how many of them are really over weight, The average Japanese, Chinese person. From when I visited, Was quite small and thin/average.

Their primary source of food is Rice/noodles, And that would be carbs. Considering that's nearly all they eat in some way or form, It cant be that fattening. Can it?
 
wannabedamned said:
Just to put it another way.

Carbs are fuel, You need fuel to excercise adaquately. Low carbs will help you lose weight, But so would more excercise.


I'm not talking about stuffing your face with white bread and pasta because that is quite unhealthy. Go Wholegrain, and you're set. Breakfast for me is Wholewheat toast and eggs. When i'm in work, I have a bowl of Wholewheat cereal and a protein shake. For lunch, Just a sandwich, Usually containing salad and chicken. And at night, Potatoes, Or whole wheat rice or pasta.

That IS a healthy diet, combined with excercise, it'll beat any low carb crap


I just saw what you put above, and I agree with that, My arguement with you saying what I said is bull. And it wasnt. Nothing I said was bull.
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You diet isn't bad, by appearances, but again one bit of toast and 5 eggs, would make that a low carb breakfast 3 bits of toast and 2 eggs, would make it high carb, its all relative. Carbs still shouldn't be the main part of your diet. Exercise simply burns off excess carbs, making it easier to burn more fat in the rest of the day in general. Most people say will burn 2500 calories in the day, from being alive, to say 150-500 calories in a workout. Exercise isn't the key to losing weight, diet is, every athlete in the world now agree's with that. Exercise can help, less because of the calories you burn exercising, more from the boost to metabolism it gives throughout the day, which helps counter your body dropping metabolism as it does, to counteract eating a defecit.

Lots of people on a proper ketogenic diet say they have no loss in strength, and only a slight loss in endurance as once you switch to the ketogenic state and produce, ketones, they are very effective for energy. The idea though is even if your workout suffers, you burn lots more during the day, which is when you already burn the massive majority of your energy already. Exercise has been drilled into us as the key for losing weight for 30 years, and thats been wrong the whole time. Its useful, but its not key. Every weight lifting or endurance forum will tell you its mostly diet now where 5-10 years ago it was all about what weight you could lift, and, eat lots.

But if you're trying to gain weight, or increase muscle, this is where timed carbs come in, stay low carbs, take onboard quick acting carbs, before, and after exercise, this will give you energy to not effect your exercise, replenish muscle glycogen quickly and keep your body burning fat throughout the day much more effectively. At the end of the day, when the majority of your calories come from carbs, every time you run out your body goes through a long process of switching to fat burning, with turning muscle to energy inbetween. If you are already in a fat burning state and run out of fresh supply the body can almost instantly turn to using body fat.

ON a gaining diet this is irrelevant, when gaining the key is not running out of fresh supplies at all.

in all honesty probably a huge percentage of people trying a ketogenic diet never get into the ketogenic state. for 1-2 days, maybe even up to 4 days you don't hit a ketogenic state, you can get very tired and have a huge effect on your workouts in that time. But once you hit and maintain a ketogenic state you basically constantly turn fat into ketones which essentially replaces glycogen so you never really feel a lack of energy, or tired. Most people feel the tiredness and give up or have a few carbs to keep them going, which also keeps them out of the ketogenic state, and eventually give it up. Loads of people have a hard time ditching all excess carbs and think 2-3 grams here and there don't matter and again, never actually hit the ketogenic state. The problems with ketogenic diets are getting there, once there, for me at least, and others, its easy street, no hunger, energy all day long every day no matter what you do. ALso a proper ketongenic diet is really only good for losing weight, timed/cycled carbs are better for training/bulking.
 
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NeoNemesis said:
Dr Atkins died fat. Of issues related to his dietary health.

Do the maths.
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Him dieing fat has nothing to do with anything. I know loads of mechanics whos cars are complete heaps, i know builders with homes that are a mess. Just because you know something doesnt mean you have to follow it yourself.

Anyway, Atkins diet is good if followed correctly. If you do the initial couple of months then go back to eating like you did before, then yes, you will bounce back to a similar weight as before you started.
if you follow the guide properly then it phases the carbs back in over a longer period, meaning you reach a maintenance phase where you hit the weight you want and then keep it there, eating a healthy rounded diet.
 
wannabedamned said:
I do have to make 1 point. The Japanese, Other than Sumos how many of them are really over weight, The average Japanese, Chinese person. From when I visited, Was quite small and thin/average.

Their primary source of food is Rice/noodles, And that would be carbs. Considering that's nearly all they eat in some way or form, It cant be that fattening. Can it?
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More myth than fact. They eat a LOT of fish, fish is high in the Essential fatty acids, OMega 3 reduces the glycymic load of a meal, in other words, their much higher than western intake of omega 3 vastly changes just how quickly they process carbs. They also eat lots of veg, again low glycymic load, and don't use heavy sauces on foods which tend to be carb heavy out here. They also walk ruddy everywhere so their daily calorie use is very often much higher than out here. Like a bodybuilder athlete needs to eat more carbs to offset that than the "average" diet, they use more calories than the average UK person. Many companies have daily exercise in the same way they do at school. Think the Japs ontop of their building IN Heroes where Hiro was, when they do exercise throughout the day. ALl these things make slightly higher carbs used up better and ofset.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Japan...Weight,-Remain-Slim-and-Be-Healthy!&id=191614

the first dozen or so google articles all basically say, much higher active lifestyles, especially office workers compared to here. Green tea, effectively a metabolism booster.

We could eat more carbs here if we ate lots of fish and were active everyday, but the average person here doesn't, so lots of rice isn't important. Also rice with every meal, doesn't mean lots of rice every meal.


But even after all this, they didn't grow rice in Japan till a couple thousand years ago, and then for the richest people, before then it was grains and they ate more fish/meat/veg than they do now. Plus japs are notoriously small because of lower protein, so the myth that they eat tonnes of rich and are stupidly healthy, is mostly myth.
 
wordy said:
Doctors, nutrionists etc
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advice on almost everything seems to change every 5 years. So is what people are taught, nutritionists who tell people this are simply a product of the system, doesn't mean the system is right.

It was America who came up with the initial food plan 30-40 years ago after the war to say high carbs, lower fats is good. This was unsurprisingly thought up by the Agriculture department, not the health department, you know, the guys that mass produce and sell grains, wheats and rice and so on. Its shocking that what they can produce the most of most easily, is what they recommended eating ;) This is basically the same diet that has been recommended here for 40 years. What other advice has changed in all that time. Its funny, before that time there wasn't problems with weight in America or here, its been 40 or so years that both countries have been getting fatter, coincidence, must be ;)
 
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