Tanker drivers strike rant

excuse me, I do not think a tanker driver is a modern day hero. What about the millions of other people that do jobs you depend on.

In particular paramedics and ambulance drivers.

Where did I say they were "modern day heroes"? All I was trying to put across, is that their jobs are not "worthless".

Do the paramedics, fire crews, police, etc etc not all need fuel too?
 
Isn't the main protest about bosses using contractors. Instead of internal staff?

Oil makes big money so the drivers get paid a lot, unfortunately caring for someone does not make big money so tehy can't afford to pay big wages. It's the way of the world.
 
Very greedy, just like the london underground drivers. They were even offered a 13.2% payrise over a longer period and they refused it.
 
I did, they gave me 20 quid a month.
Public sector wages stink.

Then why do desk clerks get £18k for tapping in numbers here? This is at a time when JCP cuts are seeing 200,000 people being moved or sacked...

I think you'll find it varies considerably depending on your department or council.
 
You think everyone should be paid the same as you?
And where exactly did it say that?

Not getting the same rises as the fat cat bosses? Give me a break. Honestly, show me one case where that happens (cases of public humiliation/point scoring aside).

I'm not going to deny it's a tough job because haulage of any kind generally is, but please - they're already on well above average national pay and they're spitting dummies over an apparently above-inflation rise at a time when the economy really doesn't need inflationary pay rises.

Mind you, I accept the only information I have is what the media have fed me, and that's rarely the full picture.
 
unfortunately caring for someone does not make big money so tehy can't afford to pay big wages. It's the way of the world.

Also people like knip are willing to do the job for rubbish wages for sentimental reason that are not present in your average delivery driver. Like any employer they are happy to take advantage of this.
 
Where did I say they were "modern day heroes"? All I was trying to put across, is that their jobs are not "worthless".

Do the paramedics, fire crews, police, etc etc not all need fuel too?

Yes they do ..... because everybody does, but we all need lots of things that is the point.

Ok water, food, electricity, air, clothes, what about the people that build the tankers, what about the roads?

The tanker drivers probably run some sort of closed shop which stops other people doing their job.
 
When you are working for a company that makes
Shell was today accused of making "obscene" profits at a time when pensioners, motorists and industry are struggling with higher energy prices when it unveiled annual earnings of $27.6bn (£13.9bn).

And they are trying to shaft you, you would want some of that nice pie.
 
No im unhappy with the lack of appreciation from the council for the job I do when people who have a lot less skillful and stressful job than me get paid twice as much.

They aren't paid by the council though, they're paid by a much bigger earner. The council cannot afford to pay you as much as the oil companies pay their drivers. Unless they up council tax astronomically. Do you want that?

You work for a much smaller fish, that was your choice (or you had no choice, who knows) but either way it isn't the fault of the drivers you despise, why should they be punished or devalued because you don't earn what you would like to.

I'd love to earn more, I earn less than you and consider my job as important as yours. I don't feel any anger to you though, or resentment or wish you were paid less. I don't think it would be unfair of you to want more. It's not your fault that the council bosses pay themselves ridiculous sums while the workers are sniffed at.
 
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Then why do desk clerks get £18k for tapping in numbers here? This is at a time when JCP cuts are seeing 200,000 people being moved or sacked...

I think you'll find it varies considerably depending on your department or council.

Yeah it does sadly. Its on a band system, and im at the top of the band im on (due to length of time ive been employed) its measured on how disabled the child is, as I said and so hes apparently not disabled enough. Wont bore everyone with the finer details, but hes about as physically disabled as you can get. Cant do anything for himself and hes 12. Considering how much it would cost the council if he was to go into a residential home and be given 24 hour care (which his parents will never do) they are a bit blind to how much money keeping him at home is actually saving them, and I just wish they would recognise that.
 
So as a society would it be good if all the low paid health workers left to become tanker drivers?
 
either way it isn't the fault of the drivers you despise, why should they be punished or devalued because you don't earn what you would like to.

I havent said I despise them, I guess what im saying is the world is unfair in the way it pays people, and I dont like that sometimes.
 
Yeah it does sadly. Its on a band system, and im at the top of the band im on (due to length of time ive been employed) its measured on how disabled the child is, as I said and so hes apparently not disabled enough. Wont bore everyone with the finer details, but hes about as physically disabled as you can get. Cant do anything for himself and hes 12. Considering how much it would cost the council if he was to go into a residential home and be given 24 hour care (which his parents will never do) they are a bit blind to how much money keeping him at home is actually saving them, and I just wish they would recognise that.

Yeah tell me about it... but the DWP is happy to pay contracted security guards over the odds for protecting a JCP office that is already so locked down it has more CCTV per square yard than any other public place I can think of :rolleyes: the computers are already ID-locked and in safes too..
 
Is any element of their pay danger money?

If they crash can the tanker easily explode and torch them?
 
fair play to them.

if what fox says is right then that is unfair. 16years without a payrise.

can you say that you have not had a payrise in that time?
 
I suppose whether it's worthwhile or not look at the impact when they stop working :p

TBH I'd rather earn £30k sitting on my ass in an office than £40k spending all the time driving, not the most fun job in the world :p

Plus don't forget the fact the nights out (in their truck).

Also the Av is 39K
"The Unite trade union is calling for a minimum wage of £36,000 a year, about £2,000 more than drivers are currently paid".
"The pay row erupted over Unite's claims that tanker drivers are paid the same now as in 1992 - just under £32,000 a year - despite working longer hours"

Its not been easy task working out their Av hours, but it does seem that the figures quoted are for 48hours basic week.
The figures are probably lower in terms of £perhour (£14.50) then say qualified tradesmen (e.g JIB electricians around £15+).
Also this does not include if they have to sleep out in their trucks or the fact that Petrol Tanker drivers, are not just your usual HGV drivers (additional qualifications and cost of training).
 
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