Cut-price supermarket booze to be banned to stamp out binge drinking

[Droolinggimp]

Regarding this 'Task 21' issue, Morrisons have bought in the 'Task 25' now. Dont look older than that and you gets asked for ID. 30% of staff at my store will be well miffed as most dont drive so wont have ID readly available, unless they all carry passports, which I doubt.

I, for one think Muffin` is right about introducing alcohol at an earlier age. Like he said, it will teach youngsters to respect it more. When I was younger, around 13 years of age, I was drinking Martini Rosso out of the bottle that was left in the household by my Granddad after he died.

Early age drinking is the better idea, not that I totaly agree with it.

After a few years I slowed right down and started going 'down town' around 15 years old as a Grebo, so I think I was quite placid and not one for getting hammered at night. Once reaching 18, never went out because I had it in my head, 'been there done that'.

 

[dirtydog]

After a few years I slowed right down and started going 'down town' around 15 years old as a Grebo, so I think I was quite placid and not one for getting hammered at night. Once reaching 18, never went out because I had it in my head, 'been there done that'.

As said above though, why don't older people in their 20s and 30s now, say they've been there and done it?

 

[Makunouchi]

It's a privilege, not a right. Be grateful you're allowed it at all, whatever the price.

Lol.

 

[Tom0]

The under 21 will be a short term fix, like in Scotland, where it worked wonders..in one town...over a year

The masses (18-20) who behave shouldn't lose out to the minority who don't.

Its unfair yes, but the goverment aren't going to spend money educating the youth when they can raise the age limit and prices and make more money. Its exactly like green issues, why continue using oil when there are lots of green alternatives to be invested in? Money is the answer.

So why not agree with something that could possibly help the cause?

 

[bennyboy2606]

To be fair, but when has age ever stopped people doing things... I walk to school in the morning and see year 7's smoking in the bus stop. I walk through town on a saturday night with the missus and see teens aged from as little as 13 drinking and getting out of their face, age doesn't matter, its nearly as pointless as certificates on films...

 

[dirtydog]

Its exactly like green issues, why continue using oil when there are lots of green alternatives to be invested in?

Not really - there is no viable replacement for oil at this time... but that's a whole different argument.

 

[Droolinggimp]

As said above though, why don't older people in their 20s and 30s now, say they've been there and done it?

Probably because they were not bought up by their Grand parents with very strict Victorian values like me. I think thats what has made me responsible.

Dont get me wrong. I do like a drink and I probably drink far too much now at home. I dont go out anymore, maybe once every month or so if that.

 

[dirtydog]

To be fair, but when has age ever stopped people doing things... I walk to school in the morning and see year 7's smoking in the bus stop. I walk through town on a saturday night with the missus and see teens aged from as little as 13 drinking and getting out of their face, age doesn't matter, its nearly as pointless as certificates on films...

Quite - the drinking age is 18 now but a huge number of under 18s drink, many binge drinking regularly.

It could then be argued well it's taboo, that's why they do it - so we should bring the drinking age DOWN to 12 or something...

Ultimately whether the age is 12 or 21, I don't think it'll make much difference to our drinking culture either way.

 

[Makunouchi]

Why would the age being 21 change anything at all? Its 21 in the US and they have even more problems with youth drinking that we do.

 

[Muffin`]

As said above though, why don't older people in their 20s and 30s now, say they've been there and done it?

They have a different mentality to drink then to say been there done that. Lots of people have the view they need to drink heavily to have a good time, I find 4-5 pints over the night does me fine, better on the wallet too so in turn can have more nights out.

 

[Tican]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4138239.ece

As with the smoking ban, it was first put into place in Scotland, so you can almost guarantee that it will be put into place in England

 

[Tony Williams]

They can't rasie the age to 21, it's stupid and I hope it doesn't work if they do it ... most people go out and drink at weekends who are 18-21 as part of thier life style do they now have to wait till they are 21 now??

Plus who said binge drinkers are <21, for frig sake, I see people 20-odd all the time vomiting thier guts out and drinking meth, will raising the age fix this?

I mean you can't go to a pub or a bar, so let's drink on the streets after getting our parents to buy it, sounds like what will happen.

Making alcohol more expensive is another excuse to make money through taxes, some kids will still blow thier Birthday money on the higher price, is it really unfair to make everyone suffer?

Spend the money on policing, it's unfair to sterotype <21'ers as binge drinkers, arrest anyone caught causing trouble or making a scene, simple as that.

And as other pointed out - education is important, I believe it's important for the youngers to understand what alcohol is and how it effects them and let thr people make the decision what to do with thier life insted of having it controlled.

 

[Tom0]

Not really - there is no viable replacement for oil at this time... but that's a whole different argument.

Yes there is, just oil is far to profitable for them, the alternatives havent been researched or invested in. Same as eduaction and booze.

Agreed though, whole different arguement.

 

[Droolinggimp]

How about, and this is only an idea just this second thought up be me , how about having a licence to purchase booze. You have to apply for one and HAVE to produce it at checkouts, shop keepers etc so you can buy some.

The local council or government can regulate the applications and decide on police records and family history of applicants.

For instance if you have a record of being drunk and disordely or have history of violence, maybe your parents have this to, thus rendering your chances of getting a license prety much zero.

Just a thought.

 

[bigred]

Education is definatley the key, but our goverment seem to retarded to realise it or too tight to fund it.

Definitely.

 

[MookJong]

Because it is pleasurable?

Indeed, we live in a time of pleasure seeking and excess. Society points us constantly toward personal pleasure seeking as the thing we should all be striving for. It's all around us in advertising and the media and as human beings it's natural that we look to comfort ourselves with these things.

It's very difficult to stop people doing what they enjoy without draconian measures, especially when society does not promote the idea of personal responsibility anymore.

Laws are there to be broken, it's a whole shift in the way people look at themselves that has to change.

There is no quick fix, binge drinking now is the new smoking of the 60's - 70's.......in 20 years time when we all have liver damage our children will be far more cautious and there will be a social stigma attached to drinking.

 

[Muffin`]

How about, and this is only an idea just this second thought up be me , how about having a licence to purchase booze. You have to apply for one and HAVE to produce it at checkouts, shop keepers etc so you can buy some.

The local council or government can regulate the applications and decide on police records and family history of applicants.

For instance if you have a record of being drunk and disordely or have history of violence, maybe your parents have this to, thus rendering your chances of getting a license prety much zero.

Just a thought.

Jesus! quick hide before Dolph see that

It's pretty pointless, more administration = more taxation to pay for the wages and you can't be punished for the actions of your fathers and forefathers.


I personally think fining people who cause criminal damage, waste police and hospital time will curb it more then raising the price. Or even community service orders at the very minimum. Like on a Saturday night, cleaning up the mess other people have left.

 

[Morba]

stopping the sale of cut price alcohol wont do anything imo.
kids have enough money to buy enough drink to get wasted regardless of cut price crap.

 

[Lysander]

Next there will be calls to make it a minimum of 21.

As it should be.

 

[Tony Williams]

Jesus! quick hide before Dolph see that

It's pretty pointless, more administration = more taxation to pay for the wages and you can't be punished for the actions of your fathers and forefathers.

Sorry, I agree with this guy, it's unfair to deny someone alcohol, because thier parents have a dependency on it.

More pointless tax too. I agree with the trouble-causers.

As it should be.

How about we make it 18-27 and then no alcohol till 32. That way you have to wait assuming your 28 as you stated in your profile. Most 28 years olds are the problem in my books.

stopping the sale of cut price alcohol wont do anything imo.
kids have enough money to buy enough drink to get wasted regardless of cut price crap.

Agree, as I said before. I see kids around 16 with coke and coke aint cheap so if they can afford that then alcohol can be binged. Some kids steal or live lifes of crime so it's unfair to assume making alcohol more expensive will fix it. Plus what about other people who just wanna drink at the weekend do they have to pay all the extras too.