Nvidia GTX 280 - IN STOCK NOW!!!

Cyber-Mav · 18 Jun 2008 at 21:43

Tom|Nbk said:
Put a pair of ATi + NV card with similar performance. Crossfire will win.

4850 is similar performance to a 8800GT and guess which dual configuration works out of those two

3870 is around the same performance as a 9600gt, and the 9600gt in sli hammered the 3870 crossfire solution. let me go find those benches again, i think its on the guru3d website.

Greebo · 18 Jun 2008 at 21:44

Cyber-Mav said:
id say the gtx 280 is at a fair price considering its the fastest single card solution out there.

as for the 4870, from whats shown out on the net so far, its just a clocked bumped version of the 4850, just like the 3870 is clock bumped version of the 3850. so dont even expect the 4870 to come close to a GTX 260 in performance. lol

Are you mad? The 4870 has 1gb of memory compared to the 512mb of the 4850 and has ddr5 instead of ddr3 so the memory bandwidth is increase substantially

Okay it has a higher clock as well.

And early results would indicate that it is spot on performance with the GTX260 but will cost only £230.

TheGamingGeneral · 18 Jun 2008 at 21:46

Cyber-Mav said:
you trying to dodge the question? first you say crossfire scales better than sli. now your trying to broom that under the carpet since iv shown a little proof to knock you off your high horse. as for the 48 series, not too long to find out how they stand. I know they will fail, im just waiting to find out by how much. if the 4870 cant beat the gtx 260 then ati may as well go bankrupt.

Your benchmarks didnt prove that SLI scaled better than crossfire. They proved that generally the 8800 GT is a better card than 3870.

In the case of what scales better, ultimate FPS isnt the question, it's how much of a gain did the second card give over the first.

Martyn

icey_haj · 18 Jun 2008 at 21:49

Greebo said:
Are you mad? The 4870 has 1gb of memory compared to the 512mb of the 4850 and has ddr5 instead of ddr3 so the memory bandwidth is increase substantially

Okay it has a higher clock as well.

And early results would indicate that it is spot on performance with the GTX260 but will cost only £230.

Where are the early results for the 4870?

Greebo · 18 Jun 2008 at 21:53

Cyber-Mav said:
here we go, taken from anandtechs latest benches of the gtx 280, iv highlightes the crossfire setup and sli setup. as you can see crossfire does not scale better than sli, far from it. why tomnbk always says that crossfire scales better ill never know. then again we all remember his fiasco with the 2900xt, touting it as the gtx killer card. and he even ended up screwing over poor old willhub into getting the 2900xt. that was uncalled for.

Correct me if I am wrong but scaling means biggest percentage gain in going SLI/crossfire?

In which case the 3870 is showing almost 100% gain in crossfire in most games whereas the 8800GT struggles to double its framerate

SO haven't you just shot yourself in the foot?

Cyber-Mav · 18 Jun 2008 at 21:54

GeneralD said:
Your benchmarks didnt prove that SLI scaled better than crossfire. They proved that generally the 8800 GT is a better card than 3870.

Martyn

not my benchmarks, they done by anandtech. also they show that crossfire does not scale as well as sli. since people on this forum seem to believe that 2 x 8800gt give around 155% speed boost over a single 8800gt, and they believe a 3870 crossfire gives around 190% increase over a single 3870.

and the benchmarks show thats not true. look at the pics, not much difference between a 8800gt and a 3870 in single card configs. but put them in thier respective dual card configs and the sli setup shows a better overall gain.

Cyber-Mav · 18 Jun 2008 at 21:56

Greebo said:
Correct me if I am wrong but scaling means biggest percentage gain in going SLI/crossfire?

In which case the 3870 is showing almost 100% gain in crossfire in most games whereas the 8800GT struggles to double its framerate

SO haven't you just shot yourself in the foot?

end perforance is whats shown, and crossfire is far more buggy than sli, take a look at bioshock, dual card config is slow than single card config for ati.

and the 3870 has a fair bit more memory bandwidth than the 8800gt has, and we all know how memory bandwidth helps at high rez gaming.

Greebo · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:00

Cyber-Mav said:
not my benchmarks, they done by anandtech. also they show that crossfire does not scale as well as sli. since people on this forum seem to believe that 2 x 8800gt give around 155% speed boost over a single 8800gt, and they believe a 3870 crossfire gives around 190% increase over a single 3870.

and the benchmarks show thats not true. look at the pics, not much difference between a 8800gt and a 3870 in single card configs. but put them in thier respective dual card configs and the sli setup shows a better overall gain.

Whatever. I must be looking at different charts to you.

Point is 4850 in xfire match a GTX280 (search these forums) therefore the 4870 in xfire will beat it and hence a £330 4870x2 will as well.

I have swapped between ATI and Nvidia all my life. This time the performance for money plus the fastest graphics cars is going to belong to ATI. Learn to live with it.

Cyber-Mav · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:00

and whats the 4850 going to compete with? people saying the 8800gt, but if the 4850 is priced at 140ish then its in the same price range as the 8800gts 512. not looking good for ati.

Cyber-Mav · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:03

Greebo said:
Whatever. I must be looking at different charts to you.

Point is 4850 in xfire match a GTX280 (search these forums) therefore the 4870 in xfire will beat it and hence a £330 4870x2 will as well.

I have swapped between ATI and Nvidia all my life. This time the performance for money plus the fastest graphics cars is going to belong to ATI. Learn to live with it.

nothing official on the benchmark front. but compare like for like, 2 x 4850 vs 2x gtx 280.

no point comparing dual card to a single card. if a single 4870 cant beat a single gtx280 then amd/ati may as well pack thier bags.

Frame352 · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:08

Edit: Actually, never mind - I don't want to get involved in this nonsense.

Lightnix · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:09

Why exactly? They've explicitly stated that their high-end isn't going to be large monolithic GPUs any more. RV770 was never designed to be a very high end product like the GTX280 is supposed to be, that's where they're positioning R700, the 4870 X2. :\

Greebo · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:10

Cyber-Mav said:
nothing official on the benchmark front. but compare like for like, 2 x 4850 vs 2x gtx 280.

no point comparing dual card to a single card. if a single 4870 cant beat a single gtx280 then amd/ati may as well pack thier bags.

Err price?

Comparing two 4850's at £260 ot two GTX280 at £900 is hardly a fair comparison?

And with the 4870 been only £230 it doesn't need to beet the GTX280, it just needs to beat the GTX260. ANd with reviews now showing the 4850 coming cloes/matching the GTX260 for £130 then gauranteed the 4870 will beat the 260 and maybe come close to the 280.

But same thing applies. One card which might be 90% of the 280 for £230 less money or two 4870's for the same money which is 40% quicker than the GTX280.

Game over for Nvidia I think.

jwhalley · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:10

Cyber-Mav said:
nothing official on the benchmark front. but compare like for like, 2 x 4850 vs 2x gtx 280.

no point comparing dual card to a single card. if a single 4870 cant beat a single gtx280 then amd/ati may as well pack thier bags.

What logic does that follow? Who cares if it's a single card, dual cards, or a thosand tiny cards all in a little row. All thats important is the price/performance ratio.

If a 4870x2 is more powerful than a gtx 280 and costs less (or similar) then yeah they will be packing their bags....full of money and taking it to the nearest bank

Cyber-Mav · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:11

comparing price is one thing. sure its a different story if you aim for value for money. put im talking about the performance crown here, and you cant aim to take the crown using 2 cards vs 1 card.

would be good to see some benches of 2x 4870 vs 2x GTX280 and see who has the real champion in the gfx card industry.

sure the 4870 x 2 can aim to take the value for money segment but it cant aim to take the performance crown unless it goes up against atleast 2x gtx260's

Lightnix · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:13

That is extremely short sighted and completely irrelevant to most people who just want the best card for their money. You seem to have made up your mind, though, I think this conversation is futile. I'll just agree to disagree.

sunama · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:14

Has ATI 48x0 pricing already been announced?

Greebo · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:15

Cyber-Mav said:
comparing price is one thing. sure its a different story if you aim for value for money. put im talking about the performance crown here, and you cant aim to take the crown using 2 cards vs 1 card.

would be good to see some benches of 2x 4870 vs 2x GTX280 and see who has the real champion in the gfx card industry.

So why did Nvidia launch the GX2 then?

God your mad. The GTX280 in SLI will beat two 4870's but would it beat two 4870x2 in xfire? Not a chance!

Okay you go spend £900 on a two GTX280 and I'll spend £660 on teo 4870x2.

Take a look at this to see how close even the budget 4850 is getting to your beloved GTX280.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/724-1/preview-ati-radeon-hd-4850.html

=VTA=MANFACE · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:15

Greebo said:
Err price?

Comparing two 4850's at £260 ot two GTX280 at £900 is hardly a fair comparison?

LOL Great Point

Cyber-Mav · 18 Jun 2008 at 22:17

Lightnix said:
That is extremely short sighted and completely irrelevant to most people who just want the best card for their money. You seem to have made up your mind, though, I think this conversation is futile. I'll just agree to disagree.

well whoever wants the best card for the money is one thing, but then there are those out there who want all out speed to power thier multi monitors or 30incher 2560x1600 rez screens.