Virgin are now going to use application throttling!!.

This is crazy if implemented. Since i joined VM over a year ago, they have degraded every part of their service.

TV - lost sky one & other channels. V+ box screwing up recordings more regularly (apparently a known issue but no fix as present). Fault with their feed to a subscribed channel (ongoing since December - "our engineers are still working on the issue and there is no more information we can give you at present.". Lack of HD channels.
Phone - charges to certain numbers have increased.
Broadband - STM part 1 (4-9pm), STM part 2 (10am-3pm). I would rather have stayed on the 10MBit without it. Now this rubbish (if true).
Virgin Mobile - certain number charges increased. No more rollover minutes (on my particular plan).

About to bite the bullet and move over to Sky and BE. I know they're not perfect either but i don't see much alternative at present.
 
Roll on 21CN is all I can say. Throttling game ports? They barely use any traffic as it is.

Nice black and white limits between certain hours was fair. Now they are just taking the mickey.
 
They might be doing what PlusNet have done for well over a year with gaming ports - throttle them to 512mbit but heavily prioritise that bandwidth. The throttling is there to prevent P2P apps masquerading as games and getting around the normal STM restrictions (as pointed out above, games don't need a lot of bandwidth, so this is unlikely to cause problems unless you're trying to ghetto a LAN Party).

(Just guesswork as I'm not a VM customer - stumbled upon this thread by accident and the pattern looked a little familiar)
 
DarkPrince86 I know who you are on about & he has been right quite a few times when things have been denied by VM & then later became true (STM?)

As well as application throttling there is also rumours of an over night STM being trailed from 12am - 6am.

I definitely would not believe whatever Alex says!
 
Berserker said:
They might be doing what PlusNet have done for well over a year with gaming ports - throttle them to 512mbit but heavily prioritise that bandwidth. The throttling is there to prevent P2P apps masquerading as games and getting around the normal STM restrictions (as pointed out above, games don't need a lot of bandwidth, so this is unlikely to cause problems unless you're trying to ghetto a LAN Party).

(Just guesswork as I'm not a VM customer - stumbled upon this thread by accident and the pattern looked a little familiar)
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That actually sounds like something I suggested might happen in one of the "OMG VM is da ebil devil" threads because there had been a suggestion that they'd not be net neutral.

I swear at the moment that people are panicking over every internet/ISP related rumour regardless of who starts it.
 
Hiya's,

My speed (20meg) goes down whether i DL loads in peak time or just surf this and a few more forums

When NTL bought virgin mobile for £962.4m ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/04/ntl_virgin/ ) they just wanted the Virgin brand name

When they 1st started to cap (or whatever you want to call it) i was not effected

Now as i say i can even not be connected to the net during the day and then connect to check forums of an evening and i get my conx cut down to 5meg down and upload rate so i believe also gets slashed

I dunno who will stay with VM on BB (Cable) if this does go ahead, Think i'll be long gone lol

Weird to me how ISP's advertise especially on their sites saying we're increasing speeds etc, I know the VM cap if 100% working properly is a better way to stop abuse (too much useage lol) but why ohh why are they hoping to rollout 50meg and then 100meg

What's the point in those speeds when 20meg seems to cause so much problem for their infrustructure

Well maybe after they go bust (can't see it myself as people trust the virgin name :( ) some other company can takeover the now at least only viable cable network in the UK

As i say my speeds down and i would put me nowhere near the class of high user

NTL CS was a joke but products were good

VM CS is good, But VM products going bad fast

Ciao

Def
 
Defiance_co said:
Hiya's,

My speed (20meg) goes down whether i DL loads in peak time or just surf this and a few more forums
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The throttling kicks in for anyone even if you aren't the top 5% of users, As soon as you hit that limit tough luck :)

People can argue with me all day long that it is only the top 5% that get it but this is not true! I have friends who barely use the web & get affected by the throttling.

Weird to me how ISP's advertise especially on their sites saying we're increasing speeds etc, I know the VM cap if 100% working properly is a better way to stop abuse (too much useage lol) but why ohh why are they hoping to rollout 50meg and then 100meg

What's the point in those speeds when 20meg seems to cause so much problem for their infrustructure
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Apparently DOCSIS3 will solve the overload on the network when they roll that out :) But who knows. All I know is since the re brand my connection has never been like it was when it was Blueyonder & I've had this connection for going on 4+ years, All problems started since the re brand to Virgin.
 
Mattey1,

Ohh i 100% concur that it happens

At least 9 of my relatives and 11 friends varying from across the road from me to 11 miles away and 22 miles away suffer the drop

Yeah since ntl bought v-mobile out and created VM my conx as gone downhill

Cable's gone the same way BT was yrs ago, A monopoly :(

Shame but there it is

Gonna sort rig, Get landline back in from bloody thieves, Wait to see what happens next 6mth, If need go adsl

Ohh and get cheaper tv the exact same spec from sky

Ohh well

Have Fun

Def
 
Yeah we're looking to move over to sky/.be for internet in the next few months. Just waiting on some money to be able to get a BT line in. Already have Sky TV & never had any problems with it unlike Digital TV from Virgin, Which I have in my room. 5 broken boxes later I've given up with it.

I used to praise Telewest, always recommended them. Now when people ask I tell them to steer clear!

Back on topic any way, I do believe this will come to light, just like many things Virgin have denied so far.
 
I've just moved to sky myself after 9 years with telewest sorry virgin.

10 pound for 16 meg internet will do me nicely.

I'm syncing at 15 meg speeds so I'm well happy.
 
Werewolf said:
I swear at the moment that people are panicking over every internet/ISP related rumour regardless of who starts it.
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Same deal happened with PlusNet. People were bitching left right and centre when PN bought in their FUP stuff. I stuck through it (admittedly on the Business side so I'm more likely to be left alone), and save a few recent problems with Yahoo's streaming media services getting unexpectedly throttled (may not have been PN's fault as other sites were fine), I've been fine, even if I do go over 100GB/mo every time there's a shuttle launch. :)

An all-you-can-eat buffet is only workable if people don't try to clear the tables. Same goes for ISP bandwidth - If 1% of their customers use 90% of upstream bandwidth, then everyone suffers. If those 1% leave, then the ISP still has 99% of their customers and an awful lot less bandwidth congestion.

I just wish ISPs would quit with all the cloak-and-dagger nonsense. Be honest and up front with your customers and while some will bitch, most will appreciate the honesty. Do the cloak-and-dagger thing and everyone gets fed up.
 
Exactly it is all cloak and dagger, a few sources have confirmed that this traffic shaping has nothing to do with the top 5% of customers they claim are having a damaging effect on everyone else, it has to to with the fact Virgin has oversubscribed and has to somehow compensate for this, so hence the STM and now even worse stuff. Imagine say a cruise liner having a 1000 passenger limit so to make more money they let 1500 on board, the boat sinks then they turn around and and say well it was the passengers fault for eating too much during the cruise thus adding weight to the boat so it sank.
 
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