Got the PC police on my back

mm wait I still can't get this even after reading the replies? Someone said they knew a builder who'd work all day for 100, and you asked if they were polish? and this is a problem how?
 
Bug One said:
I'd like to add that the Diversity Manager is the one defending me, and being really good about it all.

It was one of the local union reps who complained. Beleive me, there is nothing worse than a civil service union rep.

If I get any flak I'll be finding ways to pay him back.
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So you are a civil servant yes, and you have posted this comment where? What are the forums? The only ones I can think of would be A&D if that means anything to you.

I wouldn't have been so silly to post such a comment on a work related forum, if I agree its PC or not. Ok maybe saying that among your room of people if you know them, but if others can access 'your' forum.. Why take such a moronic risk?

If it were not for civil service union as a whole our current state of affairs would be far worse off than they are now. So say that comment again when you at least get a % or two wage increase that the unions have spent a long time to make a pay case for. Although I suspect you enjoy the benefits that can tricle through from trade unionism without supporting, and or bashing it for, well, because you got caught out and it happens to be a union rep (it will not be a grievance from the union, it will be from that person). I can understand that you are upset, but your comments to me look bratish.

http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/documents/pdf/cscode/cs_code.pdf

depends on where you work, but i'd say you were a fail on sections 11/12 possibly?
 
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I agree, protest the complaint ( ps. I'm Polish ( well genetic any way) myself ) and not offended at all, find it funny actually :p.
 
battle said:
If the OP had any common sense then he would have realised that posting a comment like that is only going to lead to trouble.
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Bah, people are far too serious these days, I love these types of jokes, exactly my type of humor, people take racial/cultural jokes way too seriously and should get a scene of humor, instead of whining about discrimination or whatever bull ****. The people that are against these types of jokes are exactly the people that are against south park, American guy, and all those other awesome series :D.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Generalisations do have a place but they seem to be used in three major ways: humour, discrimination and laziness. Humour is good, but use it in the correct context, a work forum is probably not that place. Discrimination and laziness are therefore the other two uses and are seemingly often intertwined, if you (or anyone) can't be bothered to distinguish between people based on individual characteristics then a generalisation is used. It would be easy to write a lot of people off in that way but I've met good and bad from every nationality or grouping of people I've ever encountered so to say "all Poles are hardworking" seems as fallacious to me and as insupportable as "all people with black hair tan well" so I prefer not to use generalisations to judge groups of people.
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Mostly fair comments there, however I would contest the emboldened section as I believe there are far too many people in the world or even just in individual countries to "distinguish between people based on individual characteristics". It's simply not practical to measure everyone so we are left to taking samples of general characteristics and once again reverting to the ever useful tool of generalisation. I do have to disagree with you about it only being a tool for "humour, discrimination and laziness" however. Limiting the usefulness of generalisations in this manner seems to be a self-propogating fallicy - in that you "generalised" in a negative way that generalisations are negative... making your generalisation... negative.

Like you said - aren't semantics fun. :D
 
snowdog said:
Bah, people are far too serious these days, I love these types of jokes, exactly my type of humor, people take racial/cultural jokes way too seriously and should get a scene of humor, instead of whining about discrimination or whatever bull ****.
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The point is though that you know the comment might lead to trouble, so regardless of whether it is funny or not, it shouldn't be posted.

The people that are against these types of jokes are exactly the people that are against south park, American guy, and all those other awesome series :D.
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People should be against South Park, not because it is anti-PC but because it isn't funny.
 
Moley said:
Mostly fair comments there, however I would contest the emboldened section as I believe there are far too many people in the world or even just in individual countries to "distinguish between people based on individual characteristics". It's simply not practical to measure everyone so we are left to taking samples of general characteristics and once again reverting to the ever useful tool of generalisation. I do have to disagree with you about it only being a tool for "humour, discrimination and laziness" however. Limiting the usefulness of generalisations in this manner seems to be a self-propogating fallicy - in that you "generalised" in a negative way that generalisations are negative... making your generalisation... negative.

Like you said - aren't semantics fun. :D
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I didn't have much of an option in making the generalisation about generalisations, I needed to find some way of summing them up and therefore we come back to our old friend the generalisation for a means of doing so. I wasn't sure if it would be picked up but thought it probably would. :D I would normally try not to use them except where absolutely necessary though.

I do view generalisations in a negative light when they are used to discriminate against groups of people either positively or negatively without just cause (now we can have an argument about just cause ;)) so I suppose it should be no surprise if I describe them in a negative way. If you want to generalise on past precedent about a person e.g. "Martin has never done a good job for me, I think the boy is just a shiftless individual" then I've got much less of an issue because you are basing it on specifics rather than a notion that you can define groups of people by some shared common characteristic that may or may not exist.
 
You're asking a simple question, perhaps u know a polish builder who works for good rates? Its the interpretation of it being "prejudice". Therefore you should question them.
 
Biohazard said:
So you are a civil servant yes, and you have posted this comment where? What are the forums? The only ones I can think of would be A&D if that means anything to you.
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I created the internal discussion forums as part of our Intranet. They are something only staff within our organisation can access.

As for the union. All the union reps I deal with are terrible at their job. They will do anything other than getting on with the job that we are paying them to do. Because they are high up in the union they know they can get away with doing sod all and are invulnerable.
 
Bug One said:
I created the internal discussion forums as part of our Intranet. They are something only staff within our organisation can access.

As for the union. All the union reps I deal with are terrible at their job. They will do anything other than getting on with the job that we are paying them to do. Because they are high up in the union they know they can get away with doing sod all and are invulnerable.
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No they are given facility time that is divided out depending on your role and if you deal with personal cases, this alloted time comes from a central quota agreed by the Official Side.

You merely have no clue as to what they are doing, hence your poorly educated comments.

edit: which dept did you create this forum for?
 
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Biohazard said:
No they are given facility time that is divided out depending on your role and if you deal with personal cases, this alloted time comes from a central quota agreed by the Official Side.

You merely have no clue as to what they are doing, hence your poorly educated comments.
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I'm not sure his comments are poorly educated, they sound very like the comments of some civil service union reps I know when discussing why some of their number are giving them a very poor reputation.
 
We have an "Equality and Diversity Officer" at our place! We take great pride in getting her so wound up that she has to go outside for a smoke to calm down.
 
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