Clio Trophy > Integra DC5

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Hi Folks

So ive nearly had my car a year and its running out of warranty soon so i want to get rid. Fantastic car, love it too bits but i fancy a change and ive liked the DC5 tegs for ages. After doing some quotes its not too expensive to insure 21 with 4ncb so im wanting some advice really. Looking to spend between 10 and 12 K and the only colour im after is white :)

Just a bit of advice tips etc would be good really. Think it will be a nice step up and also from driving a friends DC2 is a completley diffrent car so will be a nice change. Also plan on doing more trackdays ring trips this / next year.

Oh does anyone know any good performance figure websites that i could look at. Would like to compare the clio and the teg

Cheers
 
How does the handling compare, considering the 'write ups' sing the Trophy as being up with the best. 0-60 would be sameish too, so the move from the Clio to Integra really does not seem to weigh up as being much different?
 
Just another variation of VVT, just fit an induction kit to the Clio, just does not have that slightly higher RPM limit.

VVT Implementations
  • Aftermarket Modifications - Conventional hydraulic tappet can be engineered to rapidly bleed-down for variable reduction of valve opening and duration.
  • Alfa Romeo Twin Spark - TS stands for "Twinspark" engine, it is equipped with Variable Valve Timing technology.
  • BMW
    • Valvetronic - Provides continuously variable lift for the intake valves; used in conjunction with Double VANOS.
    • VANOS - Varies intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear.
    • Double VANOS - Continuously varies the timing of the intake and exhaust valves.
  • Ford Variable Cam Timing - Varies valve timing by rotating the camshaft.
  • DaimlerChrysler - Varies valve timing through the use of concentric camshafts developed by Mechadyne enabling dual-independent inlet/exhaust valve adjustment on the 2008 Dodge Viper.
  • GM
    • VVT - Varies valve timing continuously throughout the RPM range for both intake and exhaust for improved performance in both overhead valve and overhead cam engine applications.(See also Northstar System).
    • DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phasing) - Varies intake and exhaust camshaft timing continuously with hydraulic vane type phaser (see also Ecotec LE5).
    • Alloytec - Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams. Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams and exhaust cams (High Output Alloytec).
  • Honda
    • VTEC - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
    • i-VTEC - In high-output DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system adds continuous intake cam phasing (timing) to traditional VTEC. In economy oriented SOHC and DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system increases engine efficiency by delaying the closure of the intake valves under certain conditions and by using an electronically controlled throttle valve to reduce pumping loss. In SOHC V6 engines the i-VTEC system is used to provide Variable Cylinder Management which deactivates one bank of 3 cylinders during low demand operation.
    • VTEC-E - Unlike most VTEC systems VTEC-E is not a cam switching system, instead it uses the VTEC mechanism to allow for a lean intake charge to be used by closing one intake valve under certain conditions.
  • Hyundai MPI CVVT - Varies power, torque, exhaust system, and engine response.
  • Kawasaki - Varies position of cam by changing oil pressure thereby advancing and retarding the valve timing, 2008 Concours 14.
  • Lexus VVT-iE - Continuously varies the intake camshaft timing using an electric actuator.
  • Mazda S-VT - Varies timing by rotating the camshaft.
  • Mitsubishi MIVEC - Varies valve timing, duration and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes. The 4B1 engine series uses a different variant of MIVEC which varies timing (phase) of both intake and exhaust camshafts continuously.
  • Nissan
  • Porsche
    • VarioCam - Varies intake timing by adjusting tension of a cam chain.
    • VarioCam Plus - Varies intake valve timing by rotating the cam in relation to the cam sprocket as well as duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
  • Proton Campro CPS - Debuted in the 2008 Proton Gen-2 CPS[2][3] and the 2008 Proton Waja CPS, said to be based on Lotus technology which developed Porsche's VarioCam.
  • PSA Peugeot Citroën CVVT - Continuous variable valve timing.
  • Renault Clio 182, Clio Cup and Clio V6 Mk2 VVT - variable valve timing.
  • Rover VVC - Varies timing with an eccentric disc.
  • Suzuki - VVT - Suzuki M engine
  • Subaru
    • AVCS - Varies timing (phase) with hydraulic pressure, used on turbocharged and six-cylinder Subaru engines.
    • AVLS - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes (similar to Honda VTEC). Used by non-turbocharged Subaru engines.
  • Toyota
    • VVT - Toyota 4A-GE 20-Valve engine introduced VVT in the 1992 Corolla GT-versions.
    • VVT-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake camshaft, or both the intake and exhaust camshafts (depending on application).
    • VVTL-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake valves. Varies duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
  • Volkswagen & Audi - VVT introduced with later revisions of the 1.8t engine. Similar to VarioCam, the intake timing intentionally runs advanced and a retard point is calculated by the ECU. A hydraulic tensioner retards the intake timing.
  • Volvo - CVVT
  • Yamaha - VCT (Variable Cam Timing) Varies position of cam thereby advancing and retarding the valve timing.
Proton - VVT introduced in the Waja 1.8's F4P renault engine (toyota supplies the VVT to renault)
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thepharcyde said:
How does the handling compare, considering the 'write ups' sing the Trophy as being up with the best. 0-60 would be sameish too, so the move from the Clio to Integra really does not seem to weigh up as being much different?
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Teg is described as the best FWD car. Plus, it looks better :)
 
imo the Trophy is the best car Renault have ever made.

Considered trying a different route? RWD maybe? If I was spending that amount it would be going straight on a VX220
 
Tim said:
Controversial:p

In what way?
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In the following ways: -

It's faster over 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile and top speed
It's better equiped
It's more modern
It looks better
It stops quicker
It's better on a cruise with 6th gear to slot into
It's more rigid and just as agile as the DC2
It's more stable at high speed
It's more economical

The only controversy comes from DC2 owners, right up to the point where they buy a DC5 - then suddenly they drop the sillyness.

:p
 
merlin said:
The only controversy comes from DC2 owners, right up to the point where they buy a DC5 - then suddenly they drop the sillyness.
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wouldnt say thats universal a few owners have ditched there dc5's and gone back to dc2's, often being quite insultive of the dc5!

seems to be there different enough to be seen as different cars, rather than variations of the same thing.
 
The DC5 gets the job done (faster) in a less flamboyant way.

Perhaps that bothers some people, perhaps they're not tuned into to it's different approach....
 
I can see why you bought a 330i Merlin.
Equipment, modernness, cruising speeds and economy? This isn't what a Type-R is about.

I don't want to turn this into a DC2 v DC5 thread, though. Sam isn't even considering a DC2.
 
I mentioned it because Sam says he's driven a dc2 but it seems to me there quite different in how they go about things so driving a dc2 possibly isnt the best way to measure a dc5.
 
I can see exactley what merlin is saying. Its a valid point because i get the DC2 side from my friend. This is what im slightley worried about, i want to change but i want to make a change that keeps me intrested. RWD is cool just cant think of anything apart from a vx220 that floats my boat that i can afford.

Budget is about 12 grand, I need something thats quicker than my 182 , Perhaps more top end as the clio isnt that quick after 80 mph but also something that handles really well. I dont care about comforts, Air con is nice but i can live without it. The car also needs to be okish on fuel , 25mpg i can deal with 18 i cannot :p

Give me some suggestions guys ....
 
Tim said:
I can see why you bought a 330i Merlin.
Equipment, modernness, cruising speeds and economy? This isn't what a Type-R is about.
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Scrap that. I can't actually. Didn't you throw a couple of k at your Teg, intake, exhaust, cams, Hondata ECU etc? I know you'd like an NSX one day too so maybe the 330i purchase makes little sense after all, I know you didn't keep it long:p
 
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