Micro Helicopters advice please ??

hmmm so the motors dont last that long :( just had a look and replacment motor is £5.95 for main rotor and about £5.00 for tail.

I am sure this is like how long is a piece of string but, how long will it last a few weeks couple on months ???

regards

here is a good place for spares on recommendation from other sites...

http://www.chinesejade.com/walkera4_3_A_B.htm
 
dejavu, I just bought a buzz fly 2.4 today but after spotting a cheap walkera 4#3b on the bay for £80 (same heli with bling cnc bits) bought that as well oops. Will sell the buzz fly to a m8 at a small loss.

they are apparently nice little machines, my beltcp just too big inside.... so this is for zooming around inside.

Just checking on the bay- they all seem to be form Hong Kong. You get a UK one?
 
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Just checking on the bay- they all seem to be form Hong Kong. You get a UK one?

Mine was from a UK based ebay seller.
He also runs a website;

http://www.heli-torque.com/html/walkera_4_3.html

Ordered yesterday, received today. Very quick turn around :cool:

Was looking at the likes of ehirobo and hobbyjapan2000, but any problems and you lose the money you've saved in shipping it back. Perfer to pay a bit more and have somewhere to take it back to if I need to.
 
As promised, here are some photo's of the 4#3b;

Wireless mouse and Micro Mosquito for size comparison -

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As promised, here are some photo's of the 4#3b;

Wireless mouse and Micro Mosquito for size comparison -

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That looks wicked, I can't wait for mine to arrive...

Hows it fly ?, im looking forward to practicing nose in hovers as i'm still pretty shakey at them... but as it so small piro's etc are gonna be fun :)
 
Rudeboy, that looks awesome. I was thinking of maybe getting a Syma 9083 2 channels rc helicopter as I've seen one for £29 delivered. Is it worth it or is it just going to be boring? Don't know what to expect, what can a 2 channel heli do/not do?

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Rudeboy, that looks awesome. I was thinking of maybe getting a Syma 9083 2 channels rc helicopter as I've seen one for £29 delivered. Is it worth it or is it just going to be boring? Don't know what to expect, what can a 2 channel heli do/not do?

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2 Channel are a waste of time. Something I'd consider for a 5yr old only.
Whatever you buy, you'll want more within days, so buy something decent from the off. For a first copter I'd be tempted to recommend a co-axial like the lama v3, or a non-coaxial like the honeybee. However, these are a fair bit bigger than the Walkera 4#3b that I've just got today, but will teach you the basic controls without speanding a fortune.

I've also got a Walkera 5#5 and another Walkera thats even bigger (5#4 maybe?), but flying them outside in practically impossible unless it's a perfectly calm day with no wind, and the size makes them difficult initially to fly indoors, however, with practice i had my 5#5 doing figure of 8's in the lounge, using tables and chairs as landing pads etc :D

When I looked at non-coaxials last year, the only real sub-micro on the market was the Micron V2 and at £200 without radio gear it was going to work out quite expensive. Add to that it's tricky to fly well and it wasn't really an option for a beginner. The 4#3b hasn't been around too long, and initial impressions are really good. It's well made and the alloy swashplate is supposed to improve stability, but it's still a tricky little beast due t it's size. I'll be getting some hovering practice in on this before I consider circuits of the lounge again, but now that I have this I can't see me changing for a while as it has everything I want i.e sub-micro size and non-coaxial.

The thing that swung it for me was the videos on youtube. there's only a handful of people flying the Micron well and a few flying it bad, where as there's buckets of videos of people flying the 4#3 well.
 
Some of them are really awful (not just the helicopters, but all those RC Planes etc.) and with most it's really a case of "You get what you pay for".

Usually the high-end expensive ones are really great fun!
 

Really bad also... :(

Here is a rough guide to RC heli's, i'm abit of a newbie but this explains the differences VERY roughly...im sure people here who know much more.

There are several types of models on market ranging from toys that are barely flyable to fully controllable models.

*2 channel*

These are often infra red controlled and range from £7 up to about £50. These helis have fixed pitch blades and a single channel alters rotor speed allowing for up / down control. The second channel controls speed or tail rotor giving yaw left / right (tail movement)
IMO these helis are just pure toys just for messing around with and you often need to weight the front to get forward flight... you'll NEVER be fully in control of one. Most common is Picooz cloans.

*3 channel*

These helis seem quite new and use a third channel to get control of forward flight (about £30-£50)... some do this by having coaxial blades spinning opposite direction freeing up a horizontal rear prop to pitch heli forward or back. There is also a Picooz Atlas that tilts the rotors forward but having tried one of these they are not very good

*4 channel*

This is where the heli actually starts to behave like the real thing (about £50 - £150). 1 channel changes the speed of fixed pitch blades controlling height, 1 channel yaw controlling tail, 2 channels controlling cyclic (the angle of the rotor head) allowing left / right / forward / back control....

These fixed pitch 4 chan helis are the ideal way to train for larger more complex machines but even so can be difficult to master (you will crash them).

Lots of ways to start on one though, like training gear to help you with take offs and landings... and simulators to practice your stick control. I wouldn't start on anything less than 4 chan.

Down side of fixed pitch helis is they tend to pitch up in fast forward flight especially outside, and they are quite unstable as you are adjusting rotor speed to control height meaning you cyclic control can get vague at times. Plus side is they are sturdy and tend to survive crashes far better and if anything harder to control than a more stable collective pitch (CP) machine, so see you in good stead for more expensive machines.

*6 channel*

These helis are very similar to 4 channel machines except like a real full size heli have collective pitch blades (about £90 upwards, skys the limit on these). The actual rotor speed remains high and lift is controlled by changing the pitch of the main blades... this pitch is usually controlled by a pretty complex mixing system in your radio handset.

Often on these machines the tail rotor also uses pitch control....

These helis are super stable, and in the right hand FULLY aerobatic, by using a special mode called 'idle up' you can fly them inverted by reversing the pitch of the blades..

I wouldn't learn on one simply because 1 big crash and you'll be out of action...the rotor head is very complex and requires a lot of knowledge to get the machine flying well.. (i lightly crashed a BeltCP last week and it was down for the count with many bent / broken parts)


so summary

Toys (2 / 3 channel, just for messing around with)
Fixed Pitch or FP (4 channel, great way to start flying and a real challenge)
Collective Pitch or CP (6 channel heli for full 3D flight but not for beginners as complex)

One last thing, make sure you buy a heli with Lipo (lithium polymer) batts, these will give you up to about 10mins flying time between charging.. real cheap machines come with older style batts and are a complete waste of time. Also look out for the new 2.4GHz models that mean glitch free radio and no channel problems from other fliers.
 
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Just ordered a 4#3b, can't wait for it to arrive :D

It's an awesome piece of kit for the money.
Can't see my co-axials getting much use now :p

i've spent some time today balancing mine. Seem's a bit more stable now when hovering, but I think I've still got some more minor adjustments to do until I'm 100% happy with the setup. These are RTF, but I just take that to mean that everything is in the box to get me going. They are in no way perfectly balanced out of the box, so don't expect a perfect first flight.

It's definately a step up from the co-axials, a lot more twitchy. Small control movements are all thats required. anything more and it's pretty much guaranteed to hit something hard and solid :D

If it is going to hit something, then just make sure you drop the main rotor speed as quickly as you can before impact to save burning out the motor or the speed controller/mixer.

Crashing is a guaranteed part of the learning process :D
 
Just got Buzz fly through post, it's tiny... here is bad photos of it next to BeltCP and Marlboro Heli ;)

Batt is still charging so not flown yet but impressed with the quality of the radio transmitter..not like the usual junk you get.

edit: flys great, zooming it around indust unit.. had 4 crashes mainly from being too brave doing crazy piro's, lost it once and smacked full speed into server cage.. only dmg so far slightly cracked nose and carbon flybar has slight split, but as rudeboy said, as long as you power down it's fine.

looking forward to getting b model as should be abit tougher... and stable.

if you never flown a heli before you will DEFFO crash a lot, it's flys very smooth but quite sensitive on the sticks so only make small movements..

gonna read through the following huge thread abit to get some tips.. one is you pitch the flybar paddles up abit to make heli more stable.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=726698


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update on these walkera 4#3 / 4#3b 2.4GHz / Buzz Fly, they are WICKED!

run about 4 batts of flying now and no major problems, you kind of learn to crash them soft or even just run up to it and catch the thing :)

last batt ran most of it nose in..something I would not of dared on a larger machine, and ended up crashing heli into my face :\ ..apart from that no probs.

can't recommend them enough, even considering selling beltcp as they so crash resistant and I rarely go outside flying. if you master one of these things pretty much any bigger heli will be a piece of cake.


apparently walkera have a CP version on the way that only ways 10gramms more, gonna have to buy one no doubt for some inverted indoor flying :)
 
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Just received this little email this morning:

The following items were dispatched today:

4#3B 2.4GHz

Super stoked, hope it comes tomorrow :D
 
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