Mobile phone photography - Whats your best snap ?
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Its pretty amazing look at these two images when you think about it. Digital camera market is going to suffer when all phones come with an 8MP camera on them.
Looking at the two it makes me think twice about getting an iPhone. I really do use the camera feature on my SE. In think I would miss it going from 8MP to 2MP. 2MP is so 4 years ago
Looking at the two it makes me think twice about getting an iPhone. I really do use the camera feature on my SE. In think I would miss it going from 8MP to 2MP. 2MP is so 4 years ago
True, but for quality its pretty damn good from a mobile phone device!
Well i think it's ok for a mobile phone device which is why i started this thread for.
Hardly. You'll get the usual initial rush of excitement when people realise their camera phone has 5/6/8MP and then the rush to the camera shops when they realise the image quality is worse than ever.
There's much, much more to image quality than megapixels, but big numbers sell phones to people that don't know any better.
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...that being 90% of the buyers market then?
insert 'But this one goes upto 11' style qoutes now!
plus your basing thefact that a 8MP phone will have crap quality, lets hope they sort it out before they're released
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Personally I don't know anyone who has bought a camera phone over a digital camera. I know plenty who have chosen a phone based on the megapixels and then realised IQ was rubbish in anything other then broad daylight and when viewed on the phone itself.
Hah, heard that before. Two friends signed up for the k850i as it had 5MP and then wondered why the IQ was so poor. Compared to something as 'lowly' as a 4MP Canon PowerShot S45 it looked like the k850i shots were taken on a webcam.
I seriously doubt it, but we can but hope.plus your basing thefact that a 8MP phone will have crap quality, lets hope they sort it out before they're released
Soon enough someone will be brave enough to release a camera phone with a smaller megapixel rating, a larger CMOS chip, better light sensitivity, a faster shutter, a proper flash, optical zoom and high-quality optics in the lens.
But that will only appeal to people who understand and value these things who, in all likelihood, will already own a digital camera of better or equal quality as they, er, understand and value these things.
And before I forget, nice landscape shot you have there. Well composed.
Well i think it's ok for a mobile phone device which is why i started this thread for.
Oh i misunderstood. I thought you were talking about how good the photo was as a photo, not as in quality
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yeah, it was the later part of your first point there, I was in Tesco once and helped some stranger buy a digital camera by quickly explaining 5megapixels from a quality Sony cam was going to be better than the 8 or whatever it was from the Tesco home brand, she seemed to twig it after a bit. Lets hope everyone wakes up to that soon, but then over the years we've all seen P&S style cameras just continuously ramp up the pixels for no good use really.
thanks for the compliment, never guess that was scotland would you!
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Number of pixels is only a small factor on Image Quality.
Sensor size, lens used plays a much much larger part.
I can take better photos with a 2mp Canon P&S than any 5mp phone out there.
Sensor size, lens used plays a much much larger part.
I can take better photos with a 2mp Canon P&S than any 5mp phone out there.
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another thing that makes me laugh is people posting small images from taken on a camera phone on the internet while trying to persuade others of the level of quality of these photos.
anybody can take a big blurry image from a camera phone, scale it down to 640x480 to whatever and make it look half decent. the real difference is in comparing the full scale images. between the numerous camera phone and camera's ive owned, i know which ones id rather be printing images from!
anybody can take a big blurry image from a camera phone, scale it down to 640x480 to whatever and make it look half decent. the real difference is in comparing the full scale images. between the numerous camera phone and camera's ive owned, i know which ones id rather be printing images from!
You're missing a few crucial points.
1) The average person is not a pro photgrapher. They simply use their phone to take photos on holiday and on nights out etc.
2) I am talking about the future. Considering my phone is about 18 months old I think the camera is pretty good! The 8MP versions will no doubt be an improvment still, you can't argue that really.
Here is the large un-touched image: http://www.wjea.co.uk/DSC00348.JPG
You can see its pixelated and not brilliant, but for the average joe - i think its more than adequate.
You're talking about people who solely use a camera phone to send pictures to friends and relatives. I'm talking about people who use a camera phone instead of a digital camera with the intention of printing their photos out at a later date.
Unfortunately that's an art that appears to be in drastic decline. It's extremely rare that your 'average joe' will want to print off the sort of pictures they are taking on these camera phones. But when you've got people spending money on a phone specifically because it purports to be a brilliant camera; those are the people that will be disappointed.
Like I said before, until someone has the foresight to release a camera phone with a smaller megapixel rating, a larger CMOS chip, better light sensitivity, a faster shutter, a proper flash, optical zoom and high-quality optics in the lens, camera phones will be largely novelty items. Otherwise by the time we start to see double-digit megapixel ratings on camera phones the only people that will be benefiting will be the makers of memory cards.
As for your image, for a 5MP sensor it's awful. Seeing as it's shot at f/2.8 I can forgive the lack of sharpness but seeing as it's shot at an ISO of 64 I can't forgive the IQ. There's noise everywhere, colour-rendition is awful and fine detail is almost lost completely. That might be double-dutch to you, but given those settings (f/2.8 and ISO 64) the image should have a sharp focal point (somewhere) and be extremely detailed.
Alas, that's pretty good for a camera phone. But it would be inexcusable in anything but the cheapest digital camera.
Despite my annoyances, I don't have a problem with camera phones or the people that use them for what they are. They're great fun and a fantastic way to share photographs. I just don't like the way they are marketed.
Unfortunately that's an art that appears to be in drastic decline. It's extremely rare that your 'average joe' will want to print off the sort of pictures they are taking on these camera phones. But when you've got people spending money on a phone specifically because it purports to be a brilliant camera; those are the people that will be disappointed.
Like I said before, until someone has the foresight to release a camera phone with a smaller megapixel rating, a larger CMOS chip, better light sensitivity, a faster shutter, a proper flash, optical zoom and high-quality optics in the lens, camera phones will be largely novelty items. Otherwise by the time we start to see double-digit megapixel ratings on camera phones the only people that will be benefiting will be the makers of memory cards.
As for your image, for a 5MP sensor it's awful. Seeing as it's shot at f/2.8 I can forgive the lack of sharpness but seeing as it's shot at an ISO of 64 I can't forgive the IQ. There's noise everywhere, colour-rendition is awful and fine detail is almost lost completely. That might be double-dutch to you, but given those settings (f/2.8 and ISO 64) the image should have a sharp focal point (somewhere) and be extremely detailed.
Alas, that's pretty good for a camera phone. But it would be inexcusable in anything but the cheapest digital camera.
Despite my annoyances, I don't have a problem with camera phones or the people that use them for what they are. They're great fun and a fantastic way to share photographs. I just don't like the way they are marketed.