Conspiracy Files: The Third Tower

TriedandTested said:
The single most heavily fortified country in the world, protective of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE, don't have a procedure to stop a hijacked plane and amazingly failed to stop them on the one occasion that it turned out to be a massive terrorist attack?? They certainly would shoot it down over a populated area if they were in no fly zones, or thought they were heading towards the Pentagon, Whitehouse or the towers.




And exactly what 'evidence' do you have that allows you to discount someone else having a different view? You've been fed by the media and gobbled it all up; probably THE least reliable source when it comes to things of this magnitude. They can spin any which way they want to, and usually do.

I think you just like to play devil's advocate in threads like these, I remember you from past threads. :)
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The BBC are the least reliable source when it comes to news? What planet are you from?
 
TriedandTested said:
The single most heavily fortified country in the world, protective of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE, don't have a procedure to stop a hijacked plane and amazingly failed to stop them on the one occasion that it turned out to be a massive terrorist attack?? They certainly would shoot it down over a populated area if they were in no fly zones, or thought they were heading towards the Pentagon, Whitehouse or the towers.




And exactly what 'evidence' do you have that allows you to discount someone else having a different view? You've been fed by the media and gobbled it all up; probably THE least reliable source when it comes to things of this magnitude. They can spin any which way they want to, and usually do.

I think you just like to play devil's advocate in threads like these, I remember you from past threads. :)
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Media who said anything about the media.

Before 9/11 America was very insecure. They had very little protection of there main land.

No they would not shoot the planes down as it has never happened before they would have tried to divert the plane and negotiate whilst sending the ground troops in.
 
AcidHell2 said:
If they had thought of this. Internal flights would have been much more secure. But I see you keep ignoring this point.

Yes they have procedures, but they didn't have one for this particular event and even then. people didn't know the procedure well enough to follow the closest one.
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Per-lease.:) Of course they did. They knew exactly what they HAD to do which is why is the news/videos you here them explaining why it DIDN'T happen.
 
wizard91 said:
If it was a conspiracy and it wasnt Al'Quieda (sp?) then whos to say the only culprate left is the US Government? There are plenty secret groups out there with large money and power that hide in secrecy why is no one pointing fingers at them?
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do you mean a certain zionist agency in the middle east?

could be
 
TriedandTested said:
Per-lease.:) Of course they did. They knew exactly what they HAD to do which is why is the news/videos you here them explaining why it DIDN'T happen.
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oh so you trust the news know.. go read the official reports, then read the CT sites, then read the debunking sites, then read first hand reports. Take into account what people have to gain, take into account peoples qualifications on the subject. Then come back here. You sprouting crap.
 
If they had thought of this. Internal flights would have been much more secure.
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No they wouldn't, the US couldn't keep an internal state of emergency and marshall law. At your workplace you have procedures for fire drill right? Even though your building has never burnt down? So why bother have a fire drill?

And scale that up with US goverment with billions of dollars, dozens of security agencies, advisors, experts in terrorism, military...and you're saying not one person thought up "hey what if a terrorist uses a hijacked plane as a weapon" Sorry it's showing your naivety. How many people work in the CIA, FBI, MI5, Mossad and no one thought of it? Especially Mossad due to Muslim extremist dealings.

If a expert in a field (anything) it's there job to plan for the unexpected, even if a) never happended before or b) incredibly small risk of happening. Things like Kurst disaster aside, but talking about Russians with dodgy safety record, not the US which'll spend millions on a NASA toilet.
 
badbob said:
No they wouldn't, the US couldn't keep an internal state of emergency and marshall law. At your workplace you have procedures for fire drill right? Even though your building has never burnt down? So why bother have a fire drill?

And scale that up with US goverment with billions of dollars, dozens of security agencies, advisors, experts in terrorism, military...and you're saying not one person thought up "hey what if a terrorist uses a hijacked plane as a weapon" Sorry it's showing your naivety. How many people work in the CIA, FBI, MI5, Mossad and no one thought of it? Especially Mossad due to Muslim extremist dealings.

If a expert in a field (anything) it's there job to plan for the unexpected, even if a) never happended before or b) incredibly small risk of happening. Things like Kurst disaster aside, but talking about Russians with dodgy safety record, not the US which'll spend millions on a NASA toilet.
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Fires happen all the time, planes flying into buildings, not that often.
 
so they have Marshall law now after 9/11? Of course they don't, they just a more reasonable line of security for the threat against them, a threat that was not realised before 9/11

But I aint going to change you mind as you have no logic and prefer to listen to videos on you tube made by teenagers who have no qualifications on what they are talking about, who interview architects and ask them structural questions..
 
mr.sly said:
The BBC are the least reliable source when it comes to news? What planet are you from?
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I didn't say that did I. I was referring to the fact the the governments/corporations control the media and can spin it any way they like to suit their own needs, especially when it comes to events like this one.

That's the beauty of it. They constantly feed you what you deem as reliable news stories (most of them are) so when something needs to be spun the masses quite happy to believe what they are seeing/hearing.

AcidHell2 said:
Media who said anything about the media.

Before 9/11 America was very insecure. They had very little protection of there main land.

No they would not shoot the planes down as it has never happened before they would have tried to divert the plane and negotiate whilst sending the ground troops in.
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It doesn't need to have happened before for them to have a contingency plan for it. That's why they have government agencies (homeland security) to foresee these kind of events happening and to draw up plans and procedures that they can 'activate' should it happen. A country like the US aren't naive enough to be caught out by attacks just because it hadn't happened before. That is plain ridiculous to even suggest that.
 
AcidHell2 said:
oh so you trust the news know.. go read the official reports, then read the CT sites, then read the debunking sites, then read first hand reports. Take into account what people have to gain, take into account peoples qualifications on the subject. Then come back here. You sprouting crap.
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Oh well, it didn't take you long did it. Thought we could continue the discussion..but how can that happen if I'm 'spouting crap'. Poor show.
 
Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?
 
But I aint going to change you mind as you have no logic and prefer to listen to videos on you tube made by teenagers who have no qualifications on what they are talking about, who interview architects and ask them structural questions..
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And this is how you discredit me, by claiming I'm a CT? Well done :-/
My opinion on whether 9/11 was CT or not is not the issue, I'm saying they will have procedures for this kind of thing, and you're saying it's not.

TriedandTested, at least some intelligence in this thead :-)
 
Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
 
TriedandTested said:
It doesn't need to have happened before for them to have a contingency plan for it. That's why they have government agencies (homeland security) to foresee these kind of events happening and to draw up plans and procedures that they can 'activate' should it happen. A country like the US aren't naive enough to be caught out by attacks just because it hadn't happened before. That is plain ridiculous to even suggest that.
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That is not what I said,

What I said was
a) they did not have a procedure for this exact scenario.
2) the procedures they did have weren't drilled into the operational guys enough, so mistakes then happened as they didn't know what to do.


Even if they followed procedure they would not of shot a plane down over a populated area when they might of been able to get it to divert. Not only do you kil the people in the plane, you also kill people where it crashes.

The threat from Muslim extremists was not realised before 9/11

but why not go back to your youtube videos and believe in lizards.
 
TriedandTested said:
I didn't say that did I. I was referring to the fact the the governments/corporations control the media and can spin it any way they like to suit their own needs, especially when it comes to events like this one.

That's the beauty of it. They constantly feed you what you deem as reliable news stories (most of them are) so when something needs to be spun the masses quite happy to believe what they are seeing/hearing.
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And what reason does the BBC or the media in every other country in the world have to gain by spreading lies and fear? And how did the US get so much power?

You're talking about the masses, what about the bedroom experts who quite happily believe what another teenager believes is the truth, based on no logic or fact?


TriedandTested said:
It doesn't need to have happened before for them to have a contingency plan for it. That's why they have government agencies (homeland security) to foresee these kind of events happening and to draw up plans and procedures that they can 'activate' should it happen. A country like the US aren't naive enough to be caught out by attacks just because it hadn't happened before. That is plain ridiculous to even suggest that.
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Pearl Harbour.

Since you're so good at thinking up ways to defend against attacks that have never been tried yet, why are you not working for the government?
 
fraps said:
Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
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How did a missile have 100's of feet wingspan and chop down all the lamp posts
How did a missile move a 10 ton generator

Tried&Tested has no intelligence on this matter.
 
The threat from Muslim extremists was not realised before 9/11
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UTTER NONENSE. They were blowing themselves up in Israel, and we all know Israeli-US connection. So it's safe to assume they'd eventually attack the US.

Hell even I knew that, before 9/11. It was only a matter of time.
 
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