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Initial Intel 'Nehalem' CPUs as cheap as chips

Surprising.

Nehalem is going to be the best chunk of a northbridge and the latest and greatest cpu all in one.

I don't doubt Intel can make them for cheap, but to offset the loss in sales on motherboard chips they won't be undercutting themselves unless AMD has something up its sleeve.
 
Nice price :) What motherboard would you need for that though?

Plasmoid.. totally off-topic :D but going on your sig, every kitten should already be dead, as you can fold till infinity :p

Matthew
 
Yeah and factor in £150-£250 for the x58 board and another £300+ for the ddr3 and it's not looking like an affordable upgrade for me:(
 
Where are you pulling these prices for an X58?

I would have thought that with the memory controller going unboard the motherboard prices would be dropping. I dont hear people moaning about the X48 prices. With no nvidia competition alright, things wont be cutthroat like they are now... yeah.

I realise about the sig, but it beats god doesn't kill a kitten.
 
Plasmoid said:
Where are you pulling these prices for an X58?

I would have thought that with the memory controller going unboard the motherboard prices would be dropping. I dont hear people moaning about the X48 prices. With no nvidia competition alright, things wont be cutthroat like they are now... yeah.

I realise about the sig, but it beats god doesn't kill a kitten.
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All new socket boards and cutting edge stuff always cost high end. And yes people don't moan about x48 prices but the point I'm trying to make is that for most people it's a mobo,cpu,ram swap all in one go since the x58 boards are ddr3 only.

Normally people trundle along buying a new mobo or new cpu as and when.

I can't see there been "cheap" x58 boards for some time.

So when you start looking at a £600+ upgrade cost less your own rig, unless you have lots of disposable income, the performance gains of the new cpu will never stack up for the money. Yeah, they might be 30% quicker than your qxxx system but the upgrade will cost you 100% more money minimum.

Always the same with early adaptors of new technology.

Great if buying/building a pc from scratch.
 
The launch part is the extreme edition which is supposed to be around £1.1-1.3K. The mainstream part is not expected this year but the XE one is around Nov-Early Dec.

CPU + Triple Channel DDR3 + X58 mobo will cost you around £1.5-1.7K if you want Nehalem this year otherwise Jan 09 is when the mainstream CPU's are expected but even then you still need DDR3 x 3 sticks + X58 motherboard so still around £800-900 for the entry level system.

Best to wait until next summer when the prices drop as in the meantime a decent Quad Core system is much cheaper.

Intel will not release Nehalem early as they do not want to hurt existing CPU sales and Nov-Dec is always one of the strongest PC buying periods which is why Intel usually launch a product in Jan.
 
With Nehalem and x58 coming, wouldn't it be a stupid idea to invest in a x38/p45/p35/x48 chipset + cpu? The new CPU's won't work on the old chipset's do they?
 
Vir said:
With Nehalem and x58 coming, wouldn't it be a stupid idea to invest in a x38/p45/p35/x48 chipset + cpu? The new CPU's won't work on the old chipset's do they?
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It's a new socket so current CPU's won't work. Doesn't make it a bad idea to buy anything current though, S775 has plenty of life left and is very cheap. Nehalem will have you buying X58, DDR3 etc so it'll cost more than you gain.
 
AbsenceJam said:
It's a new socket so current CPU's won't work. Doesn't make it a bad idea to buy anything current though, S775 has plenty of life left and is very cheap. Nehalem will have you buying X58, DDR3 etc so it'll cost more than you gain.
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Hmm yeah, good point :)
 
Intel will still be bringing out new chips for the 775 socket for the whole of 2009 so people needn't make the jump until 2010 to the new processors.

Myself I can see getting a cheap x48 board plus some ddr3 memory, maybe in the next year picking up an q9550 (or better) cheaply from somebody upgrading and then finally going over to the new Nehalem when I will just be buying a board and a cpu.

Hopefully, buying 2nd hand, this will give me the cheapest upgrade route to Nehalem plus giving me a very fast system in the meantime.

I can't afford a £600 upgrade all in one hit.:(
 
Vir said:
With Nehalem and x58 coming, wouldn't it be a stupid idea to invest in a x38/p45/p35/x48 chipset + cpu? The new CPU's won't work on the old chipset's do they?
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Best time to do it as the prices drop. I just bought an X48 mobo to extend my current system for another year rather than throw away the £700-800 early adopter premium X58 will cost.
 
Wouldnt bother waiting tbh, a lot of folk are but its always the same case in 3-6 months your pc will be 'useless' anyway ;)

All these newer tech nehalem/X58/DDR3 sounds good but waiting for spring/summer of next year sounds more ideal id like to wait for Nvidias/ATIs next monster GPU range in summer 09 and then do a nice new rigg time again ;)

Still gotta be asked where the games at.....
 
j.jarman said:
X58 motherboard. Plus that price really means nothing tbh. $284 batch price will reach the shelves at 250 sterling
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The Q9450 batch price is $316, and currently retails for ~£220. Whether the UK retail stores bump up the price of the 2.66Ghz Nehalem purely depends on supply/demand. Even on its initial release the Q9450 was around £250inc vat, so with a lower batch price, we'll hopefully see Nehalem's starting at around 220, and dropping to £200 inc vat after the initial "early uptake premiums" are dropped.

Thats a lower batch price than I expected regardless of how the retail markets handle it.
 
Sorry guys but all this talk about " Its just 30-40% faster OMG WHY 250quid for CPU" is rubbish - Why do you bother buying E8400 / Q6600 and 4870x2 when CLEARLY the performance is NOT 100% higher over E2180 and 4850 , yet the price is not just 150-200% like it will be with nehalem but it's 250-300%?

Why doesnt everyone play on 400quid rigs, why do they pay 1000-1300 just to get 30-50% extra performance ?

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Im personally happy with these prices and expect it to sell for around 200-250GBP maybe 2months after release, and also by that time DDR3 won't be much more expensive than DDR2 at present.
 
PhoenixUK said:
Sorry guys but all this talk about " Its just 30-40% faster OMG WHY 250quid for CPU" is rubbish - Why do you bother buying E8400 / Q6600 and 4870x2 when CLEARLY the performance is NOT 100% higher over E2180 and 4850 , yet the price is not just 150-200% like it will be with nehalem but it's 250-300%?
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Your missing the point. The price would be fantastic if it was a socket 775 processor which it isn't.

My point is the upgrade cost is going to be £600-£900 for a 30-40% gain. For that money you can have three GTX280's (subject to having the right mobo in the first place) and see way more than a 30-40% gain in games (I know people do other things with their computers but it is one of the main reasons why people want extra performance)

Yes, people will make the upgrade and pay the money - the ones that can afford it.

Yes, it will all be a lot more affordable for everybody else in a year's time.

And your analogy breaks down on the gfx front. Say you sell your q6600,mobo and ram for £200-£250. The upgrade cost to a Nehalem setup for a 45% gain will be 140%-350%.

I have just upgrade my 8800GTS to a 4870 for the price of 40% with a 20-30% gain in performance.

And I would seriously suggest a 4870x2 plus 8400 will be way over 100% performance gain on a E2180 and 4850. People will only be buting a 4870x2 for 1920 x 1200 resolutions and above with lots of aa/af. At those resolutions, looking at crossfire 4870 performance, the gain is 300-400% which compares favourably with the upgrade cost.

And yes, technology has to move on eventually and that means new sockets on mobos.

But apart from longevity, I still stick with the fact that since Intel arestill going to be making faster and faster socket 775 cpus for the whole of 2009,the £600-£900 could be spent on the fastest q9xxx cpu, an extra 4gb of ram to take you to 8gm, a full watercooling setup for gpu and cpu and mobo, a x48 board and a 4870x2 and you still might have some money left over and potentially have a faster system than a basic Nehalem rig.
 
If you're talking gaming then there's no reason to change at all, an OC'd Q6600 has a long, long life that for that and that's not near the peak of S775 performance.
Perhaps this time next year DDR3 will be affordable and there'll be a P55 chipset, otherwise it's not worth the price IMO.
 
Greebo said:
Your missing the point. The price would be fantastic if it was a socket 775 processor which it isn't.

My point is the upgrade cost is going to be £600-£900 for a 30-40% gain. For that money you can have three GTX280's (subject to having the right mobo in the first place) and see way more than a 30-40% gain in games (I know people do other things with their computers but it is one of the main reasons why people want extra performance)

Yes, people will make the upgrade and pay the money - the ones that can afford it.

Yes, it will all be a lot more affordable for everybody else in a year's time.

And your analogy breaks down on the gfx front. Say you sell your q6600,mobo and ram for £200-£250. The upgrade cost to a Nehalem setup for a 45% gain will be 140%-350%.

I have just upgrade my 8800GTS to a 4870 for the price of 40% with a 20-30% gain in performance.

And I would seriously suggest a 4870x2 plus 8400 will be way over 100% performance gain on a E2180 and 4850. People will only be buting a 4870x2 for 1920 x 1200 resolutions and above with lots of aa/af. At those resolutions, looking at crossfire 4870 performance, the gain is 300-400% which compares favourably with the upgrade cost.

And yes, technology has to move on eventually and that means new sockets on mobos.

But apart from longevity, I still stick with the fact that since Intel arestill going to be making faster and faster socket 775 cpus for the whole of 2009,the £600-£900 could be spent on the fastest q9xxx cpu, an extra 4gb of ram to take you to 8gm, a full watercooling setup for gpu and cpu and mobo, a x48 board and a 4870x2 and you still might have some money left over and potentially have a faster system than a basic Nehalem rig.
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Well, you cant go on the same slot forever and 775 is pretty old already.

About CPUs coming the whole 2009, i was pretty sure there will be only like 2 or 3 showing up ? 1 or 2 new extreme quads and E8600 and thats it ?
And some lower end ones but they don't count.

And who says that those will be much cheaper, I don't see them going any much cheaper than the nehalem when it will be out. And performance would be comparable with the exception that you can have a new chipset already which you can upgrade further later while your 775 is still worth some pennies.


Ofcourse buying it straight away on the release will be stupid ( it's always like that with every hardware anyways) I'm already keeping my cash for the incoming stuff.

And I would love to see what AMD will bring us as well, read somewhere that they work on some new chipsets also. And it will do us good with the prices :)).
 
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