keep my job or go on dole?

Hxc · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:35

Killerkebab said:
NI has a different, weekly limit (I believe). You need to earn more than a certain amount in a single week and you'll only pay it for that week Why shouldn't he take what he is offered?

Yeah, if I work more than 3 days a week I get charged NI, and tax is taken, as I'm on PAYE, I need to claim it back as I will not hit (although I will come close to) the tax free margin.

Killerkebab · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:37

Hxc said:
Yeah, if I work more than 3 days a week I get charged NI, and tax is taken, as I'm on PAYE, I need to claim it back as I will not hit (although I will come close to) the tax free margin.

Even if you do hit it, you'll only pay tax on any earnings above the threshold

Gothic Draconia · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:37

If you need to claim, then claim. If you don't need to, and claim through choice, then don't claim. It really is that simple. So many high horses around here, i must be an ant.

Ben M · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:37

Killerkebab said:
NI has a different, weekly limit (I believe). You need to earn more than a certain amount in a single week and you'll only pay it for that week

Why shouldn't he take what he is offered?

well, I pay it.

Why should he be offered it? He's done nothing for it. I am sure that he would be capable of paying back the money he owes if he had to.

Killerkebab · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:39

Ben M said:
Why should he be offered it?

That's another matter, but you seem to have a gripe with him as a person

Ben M · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:43

Killerkebab said:
That's another matter, but you seem to have a gripe with him as a person

I have a gripe with anyone who doesn't feel humble due to the fact that they live off handouts. If I am ever in a situation where I do need to live off the dole, I certainly won't have the attitude that "itz wiked i get a fre soot!"

I also have a gripe with paying tax to be honest. I feel that I get little to nothing in return. That's a completely different matter though.

i have nothing against over anyone on the internet, you can't get to know anyone over the internet. How people come across is wholy different, in most cases, to who they actually are.

quicksort · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:45

Ben M said:
I also have a gripe with paying tax to be honest. I feel that I get little to nothing in return. That's a completely different matter though.

Like hospitals, schools, roads, the emergency services and countless other things....?

Killerkebab · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:47

Ben M said:
I have a gripe with anyone who doesn't feel humble due to the fact that they live off handouts. If I am ever in a situation where I do need to live off the dole, I certainly won't have the attitude that "itz wiked i get a fre soot!"

He can be humble and happy, surely? There's a difference between humility and shame, and I suspect you'd rather he feel the latter

Ben M said:
I also have a gripe with paying tax to be honest. I feel that I get little to nothing in return. That's a completely different matter though.

You were educated, you've been enjoying healthcare that neither you nor your parents have been paying, and your parents have been receiving some sort of support for you (hell even my dad got something like £15/month for my sake). You've been getting more than enough already and it is high time you pay it back to society and stop thinking you can sponge your way through your life the way you have in your childhood!

Jokes aside, you've been benifiting from the system just like everybody else has

Gothic Draconia · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:48

Lol, the 'rewards' of paying tax are all around you. Those rewards being both good and bad of course...

Ben M · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:49

quicksort said:
Like hospitals, schools, roads, the emergency services and countless other things....?

private
private
paid for by road tax, petrol tax etc.
the streets could be safer. but i'm not going to say that the emergancy services do a bad job, because they don't. they'd be better if it wasn't for so much red tape.

I am aware that my schooling, and healthcare has been paid for by my parents and not by myself. I am also entitled to feel hard done to on their behalf, though.

This is a different issue completely though, as I said before.

quicksort · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:52

Ben M said:
private
private

Only a small percentage of society can afford to go private. Income tax still needs to be used to provide education and health care to the majority of society.

Radiation · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:53

Lol at some of the reactions in here, get a grip, everyone pays taxes and everyone pays too much, so what if he wants to get some of his own past/future money back, i bet you all would be ok with lowering your own taxes temporarily if you alone had the option to, that would seem more acceptable I bet.

p4radox · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:55

Radiation said:
Lol at some of the reactions in here, get a grip, everyone pays taxes and everyone pays too much, so what if he wants to get some of his own past/future money back, i bet you all would be ok with lowering your own taxes temporarily if you alone had the option to, that would seem more acceptable I bet.

So you're completely fine with the idea of just not working and claiming a load of money? Money that could be put to something of use?

Radiation · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:58

p4radox said:
So you're completely fine with the idea of just not working and claiming a load of money? Money that could be put to something of use?

Temporarily yeah, it all goes to use as the things you buy pay the wages of countless people.

Darkwave · 18 Jul 2008 at 22:59

p4radox said:
claiming a load of money

I love how the dole is suddenly a load of money.

Ben M · 18 Jul 2008 at 23:00

Ulfhedjinn said:
I love how the dole is suddenly a load of money.

£450 "loan" that isn't paid back
£300 for a suit
£260 a month travel

over a grand, plus another £260 every subsequent month...

Darkwave · 18 Jul 2008 at 23:05

Ben M said:
£450 "loan" that isn't paid back

I never got this when I claimed JSA.

Ben M said:
£300 for a suit

See above.

Ben M said:
£260 a month travel

See above.

Ben M said:
over a grand

Back payment while you earn nothing for a long period.

Ben M said:
plus another £260 every subsequent month...

Try £45 a week for most people.

I've said my bit, have fun acting like he's to blame and not the system though.

Gothic Draconia · 18 Jul 2008 at 23:07

Lol, where you get this travel money from? As someone who has claimed JSA, i had to pay for all travel out of the allowance which often meant spending £15 to attend 1 interview which could have been twice per week in some cases, leaving me free to drink water for celebration. haha
In fact, i was also told by the Jobcentre that postage stamps to place on job application envelopes were factored in to the weekly JSA amount so that was another £5 gone just on second class stamps. Not a lot to live on tbh.

Darkwave · 18 Jul 2008 at 23:08

Gothic Draconia said:
Lol, where you get this travel money from? As someone who has claimed JSA, i had to pay for all travel out of the allowance which often meant spending £15 to attend 1 interview which could have been twice per week in some cases, leaving me free to drink water for celebration. haha

Dude, don't lie. You were obviously totally loaded when you were on JSA. I can see your gold mansion on Google Maps and all your free suits on the line.

Nebzor · 18 Jul 2008 at 23:10

Ulfhedjinn said:
Try £45 a week for most people.

I've said my bit, have fun acting like he's to blame and not the system though.

Point out where anyone in this thread has said he is to blame.

You playing the "it is just the system, take what you are offered, its not his fault" card is just as silly as the "EVERYONE ON THE DOLE ARE SCROUNGERS" card.

All we asked for is a little humility.