Jobless to work 'clearing litter' !!!

Dolph said:
I worked as a crew member for 18 months in McDonalds following graduation rather than going on the dole, so yeah, I think I can say 'Any job is better than no job', and only be preaching what I practiced.
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It sounds as if you were someone who was unable or unwilling to find a real job, unless I am mistaken and there was a complete recruitment freeze for everyone other than McDonalds in your area and that you couldn't have possibly travelled out of your area during that 18 months. I think if you spent 18 months working for McDonalds rather than getting a real job would compare poorly to someone who did 3 months charity work whilst claiming benefits and then got themselves a job in the field they trained for.
 
how about they just allocate more funds towards cleaning litter and what not instead, Id happily do something like that - infact its what I wanted to do whilst at uni over summer, but there were no positions(even though there needs to be really).

Im not picking litter for the £48 a week I get currently, unless its only 9hours work.. which Id happily do in one day.
Id rather the council give me a real wage for doing a proper job, by creating the jobs in the first place.
Ridiculous.
 
peetee said:
how about they just allocate more funds towards cleaning litter and what not instead, Id happily do something like that - infact its what I wanted to do whilst at uni over summer, but there were no positions(even though there needs to be really).

Im not picking litter for the £48 a week I get currently, unless its only 9hours work.. which Id happily do in one day.
Id rather the council give me a real wage for doing a proper job, by creating the jobs in the first place.
Ridiculous.
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but thats the point isn't it? you don't want to do it so it makes you get up and go do something about it.

sounds pretty good to me, the more people on job seekers hate it the better.
 
badbob said:
I bet those moaning about dolies have cushy well paid jobs. Who in there right mind says "any job is a job" unless you're willing to do it yourself, but you're not as driving a BMW living a 5 bedroom house.
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your so wrong. Many of us have worked in rubbish jobs.

Any job is miles better than no job. Those who don't have a job and are on JSA are scum. There is no reason anyone(who isn't on disability benefits) can't get a job within 2 weeks. JSA should be for 3 months and no longer. That gives people more than enough time to get a job they like. After that you should have to get a job any job.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Any job is miles better than no job.
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Not always, volunteering has a place - and there are lots of professional careers whereby initial volunteering is required.

Those who don't have a job and are on JSA are scum.
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Don't hold back.

There is no reason anyone(who isn't on disability benefits) can't get a job within 2 weeks. JSA should be for 3 months and no longer. That gives people more than enough time to get a job they like. After that you should have to get a job any job.
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I'd settle for that, or charity work. There are going to be some people who lack the skills to find employment, and I think that charity work might help them integrate and learn those skills.
 
Vasquez said:
but thats the point isn't it? you don't want to do it so it makes you get up and go do something about it.

sounds pretty good to me, the more people on job seekers hate it the better.
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no, because a lot of people are on jobseekers because theres nothing suitable on offer.

They should be creating jobs for something like this, instead of pushing people into doing it for crap wages. Why is it fair that someone who genuinly cant find a job has to work for below minimum wage(technically) because the council dont make an effort to create jobs in areas which do infact need the workers.

Surely for the wages some of the big cheeses are paid they can come up with some better jobs than litter picking etc.
 
cleanbluesky said:
Not always, volunteering has a place - and there are lots of professional careers whereby initial volunteering is required.
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and if people really want those jobs they will usually do the volunteering in there spare time. Yes there is a lot of good points to volunteering but it can be done in peoples spare time.

It's just that people on JSA are lazy or think they are better than a tea boy.

peetee said:
no, because a lot of people are on jobseekers because theres nothing suitable on offer.
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There's nearly always suitable jobs on offer. It's just people think it is below them or they wouldn't like it.

peetee said:
Surely for the wages some of the big cheeses are paid they can come up with some better jobs than litter picking etc.
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It's not meant to be a good job, it's meant to give people a kick up the rear to sort there life out.
 
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peetee said:
no, because a lot of people are on jobseekers because theres nothing suitable on offer.

They should be creating jobs for something like this, instead of pushing people into doing it for crap wages. Why is it fair that someone who genuinly cant find a job has to work for below minimum wage(technically) because the council dont make an effort to create jobs in areas which do infact need the workers.

Surely for the wages some of the big cheeses are paid they can come up with some better jobs than litter picking etc.
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It get the impression though that nobody wants to do these jobs though and even though you might you a probably in a minority (and kidding yourself if im honest).

I would also imagine that the nature of the job itself is that it would be better to have a flexible workforce where people can be allocated where needed also it doesn't really require any training either so is perfect for a workforce that might be different from week to week.

yes it would be good for the council to create more jobs but I think its better to use those jobs as an incentive to get people into more stable and better paid jobs.
 
ok ill take that point, its good being having a workforce that is versatile in that they wont be working same place and same hours etc each week, but then another problem arises, my brother got into some good jobs working for the council through agencys in parks etc whilst not at uni - these no longer exist to the same extent, the pay was good etc and there was other jobs alike around town, it was good temp work - outdoors and good pay.

Ill admit theres a lot of jobs I think i am above, but iv worked in mcds etc before, I doubt theyd have me back and im awaiting training for navy, so theres a lot of places that dont want me as im off away soon.
I dont have any bar experience either, which means barjobs are difficult to come by(theres an abudance of bar staff already in the town)

at the moment im happy to be on jobseekers really, after all im currently waiting around for my job to start.. so in all fairness I dont even need to seek employment.
 
ste_bla said:
A Simpler way would be give benefits in form of vouchers so you can only get food (no booze), pay your rent and clothes (limit this though) etc. Soon get them into work?
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You can go one step further than that, let tescos/asda etc bid for the rights to have the vouchers spent only in their stores (depending on location) and you will have a large % of the benifits paid for by companys receiving the business.
 
badbob said:
If you can't find a job, yes. Otherwise have to steal to pay for food and living expenses.
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nearly everyone can find a job. It's just people either are crap at applying for jobs or they don't want to work at fast food, supermarkets, pubs, restaurants, warehouse, factorys, offices, data entry. and another few hundred jobs that require no skill and are easily available.
 
AcidHell2 said:
How come? you can't tell me they need to be on JSA..
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You make such a general statement which i would agree fits a small percentage of claimants. These are the sort who start claiming at age 18 and have possibly never worked a day in their life and probably never will under current conditions.

At the other end you get the 55 year old man who has worked for 40 years before redundancy and due to age and skills set, can not find work. The problem is compounded by the fact that now he is out of work, the harder it is for employers to see past this.


Both of these people are claiming JSA and are both scum?
 
Gothic Draconia said:
You make such a general statement which i would agree fits a small percentage of claimants. These are the sort who start claiming at age 18 and have possibly never worked a day in their life and probably never will under current conditions.

At the other end you get the 55 year old man who has worked for 40 years before redundancy and due to age and skills set, can not find work. The problem is compounded by the fact that now he is out of work, the harder it is for employers to see past this.


Both of these people are claiming JSA and are both scum?
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you miss the point that the 55year old could easily get a job in a supermarket like many others have. so yes they are scum as they think that job is below them
 
AcidHell2 said:
you miss the point that the 55year old could easily get a job in a supermarket like many others have. so yes they are scum as they think that job is below them
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LOL. You miss the point that the 55 year old (btw sounds like i'm talking about myself which i'm not lol) may very well apply for these supermarket jobs or onion picking jobs but is never successful for a number of reasons, all legitimate and genuine reasons, for which you would have to ask the recruiters. However, i guess the 55 year old can be happy that others think of him as scum because he can not gain employment. :confused:
 
he can get a job there's plenty of jobs he can get. Look at a supermarket there are loads of older people working there who have only just joined.
It's even easier now due to age discrimination laws. There are plenty of jobs about from everyone. If they really had the enthusiasm to work.
 
However, i guess the 55 year old can be happy that others think of him as scum because he can not gain employment.
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And also with no incoming is in deep trouble. Also considering most dolies have no transport, and even local jobs state "own transport"
 
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