My point is that people are getting labeled ati fanboys for supporting the 4870 so what are the people who are supporting the 260/280 there is 2 sides of the coin.
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I'm seriosly thinking getting that Leadtek GTX280
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My point is that people are getting labeled ati fanboys for supporting the 4870 so what are the people who are supporting the 260/280 there is 2 sides of the coin.
No fair play c'mon guys just because the nvidia fans were able to give ati fans a heap of crap for a long time doesn't mean they should get any back now. Also he is right you really have to go with the best single card solution so wait till mid august and buy the 4870X2.
but are they getting crap back,all people are saying is get the 4870 and getting labelled fanboys,i could understand that, if the 4870 was the same price or £20 cheaper but at almost £100 cheaper.
Yes, there is two sides of the Coin! (both sides of a coin could be considered "unbiased", i guess). So from "TAILS" side of the coin (ATI) yes, its the best bang for buck (4870 or 4850), from the "HEADS" side (NVIDIA), then the GTX280 is the fastest single card performer, and is, IMO, good value for money - now the prices have been slashed.
Obviously, there is also the "i'm just a student" factor
, and those people want the cheapest they can buy, for the best performance - and rightly so. Those with a few more qwid in the bank though, for example, won't see, £50-£70 too much of a tax for obtaining the single fastest card currently available. Who gets the "heads" up though
~Ant
4870 aside, when you think that only 4 months ago people were paying between £330 and £350 for the branded 8800GTX cards that were 18 months old then the GTX280 offers a lot of bang for the buck at £280, tis only when you factor in the 4870 that it becomes less attractive, but then again it wouldnt be £280 if it werent for the 4870, it'd still be £400+ 
Yes, there is two sides of the Coin! (both sides of a coin could be considered "unbiased", i guess). So from "TAILS" side of the coin (ATI) yes, its the best bang for buck (4870 or 4850), from the "HEADS" side (NVIDIA), then the GTX280 is the fastest single card performer, and is, IMO, good value for money - now the prices have been slashed.
Obviously, there is also the "i'm just a student" factor
~Ant
I think it is to do with games aswell apart from 1 or 2 games, almost any of the top cards will do unless you using a high resolution and/or a lot of AA's as like it has been said even a 4850 is faster than a gtx and that was the top card for months and people can get that for just over a £1oo now.
The 4850 has carried on from where the GT left off.
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Define ''feature rich''. The extra memory? Cuda? It seems to me for every joker card the 280 has the ATi card has something else. I think it is misleading (am not accusing you of it) to profess that one is more feature rich than the other, in that one of the cards have features that the other lacks (or is better at), it comes down to what the user needs.
I read an argument with two guys arguing there case. Well I have 1024mb (of GDDR3)! Yeah, well I have GDDR5 (512mb)! I mean come on, it's hardly like comparing a ferrari to a lambo and saying the red car is faster. Clearly there is more to it.
Drivers seem to be a contensious issue. They are defended/attacked almost as much as the companies and cards themselfs, so I wont even attempt to say either is better/worse.
Price does clinche it though. Am all for those who can afford it to buy the ''best'' but for most of us that does descide it. And, for people saying, well its only £100. Well between that saphire 4870 and the leadtek it might be. But a lot of gamers will only go with the holy trinity of Evga, XFX and BFG. The BFG card is £340 on here, and the Evga is just over £350 (I take it OC dont stock XFX?). So it can be as much as £150+ of a difference still.
Both cards have there flaws. The 280s arent exactly having a smooth operation even when they finially get installed in the machines. Likewise the 4870 has problems. It does get somewhat iritating when people cherry pick which card they want to have a go at. To the point I dont bother with them personally.
If the ATi card cost about the same as the 280 and the performance was as is, then sure buy the 280. But the fact there is such a gulf still even after Nvidia slashing the price of that thing like a samurai, unless you absolutley need cuda, folding etc, I couldnt justify it.
*Cough* Do a special of the Evga/BFG card at £250 and I will get it *Cough*
Btw, isnt Nvidia and AMD supporting Physx on the ATi cards? Am sure nordichardware was saying that the other day.
Martyn
Exactly, bang to rights proof that Nvidia could have priced the 280gtx semi-reasonable in the first place, they only cut the price due to the threat of the 4870 and its amazing price/performance. Anyone now bagging a gtx280 for £265 can basically thank ATI for the £200 they've saved.
Personally I'm glad Nvidia's greedy tactics have backfired on them.
Btw, I own a 4870 (as per sig) and have never experianced any in game stuttering what-so-ever.
Nice,
These users run intel chipset mobos's
And are SMART enough to quash your claims.
Fact is shocky "no renting " of cards gets you in gear...
I quashed you on the RMA.
Your posts are so opaque...
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Keep it civil guys
It comes down to many reasons why people buy and most people are like me and not particullay brand loyal either way. I am going Ati this time and was before the 4xxx series was released because i have had a living hell with nvidia drivers both gfx and chipset and have royally had enough of them.
I was advising 4850/4870 all the way as well.. but now prices have come down -massively- for Nvidia, the 280GTX as it least worth considering. It is afterall, the fastest card out there, even if on occasion hardly at all. Some people want the "ultra".. let 'em get it if they want. Especially considering the price difference between the 4870 and 280 is getting less and less.
One thing I would say though is, prob best waiting for the 55nm version. Manufacturers don't change processes this quickly unless there's a problem. (which is probably temps + profit (or lack of in this case)).
Matthew
One thing I would say though is, prob best waiting for the 55nm version. Manufacturers don't change processes this quickly unless there's a problem. (which is probably temps + profit (or lack of in this case)).
Matthew
Mr. Paul... just to say I'm certain you won't be dissappointed by either card 4870/280 if you got one of them.
Having that 'top card" feeling wouldn't last long with the 4870X2 and the new versions of the 280gtx coming out, as in general I expect prices to be pushed down. You never know, you may even be able to afford the 4870X2 in a few weeks, given how much the 280gtx has dropped in price.
Matthew
Having that 'top card" feeling wouldn't last long with the 4870X2 and the new versions of the 280gtx coming out, as in general I expect prices to be pushed down. You never know, you may even be able to afford the 4870X2 in a few weeks, given how much the 280gtx has dropped in price.
Matthew
graphics card wars!
everybody is jumping ship too much
this forum used to be nvidia only pretty much
even when the dx9 ati cards were pretty good
it is just best for the op to get the card he feels suits his needs
ati for value/performance
nvidia for flagship performance
either way - he will end up with a great card on his budget
everybody is jumping ship too much
this forum used to be nvidia only pretty much
even when the dx9 ati cards were pretty good
it is just best for the op to get the card he feels suits his needs
ati for value/performance
nvidia for flagship performance
either way - he will end up with a great card on his budget
So what happens to your theory when the 4870X2 comes out?
I don't think the forums are biased in particular, I only got the 3870 as the 8800gt would have been difficult to get to work in my board without a different BIOS (and for once I couldn't be arsed). The forum normally recommends based on a price range, and yes bang for buck within that price range. It used to be Nvidia, but now it's ATI. It may change...
Matthew
