The Dark Knight - **Spoiler Thread**
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I thought the voice was a good part of it, its not put on as in batman begins it shows you him putting a microphone into the bat hat to make his voice deeper more scary, good imo.
He just took the wrong pills together, they were all prescription and weren't elevated.
It's certainly a fitting ending and sits well with the overall theme of symbolism and ideology. I just don't like it setting up Batman to be hunted by everyone for something he didn't do, although that's one of my pet hates that's not specific to just this film. For some reason I've always disliked the parts in films where someone is being chased by the police/FBI etc for something that we as the audience know they didn't do. That's exactly what DK leaves us with, so no matter how they did it, my (probably irrational) hatred for that set up means it has little chance of having the effect it was looking for with me.the ending was not satisfying? It gave me goosebumps. i thought it was one of the most stirring emotional endings ever. It opitimised the overall tragedy of the film but in a heroic and beautiful way.
I agree with you somewhat about batman's voice though
If that's the case then it's not explained well at all, I watched Batman Begins only hours before it and don't recall it being mentioned there.
I do think people are going OTT with Heath Ledgers performance as the Joker too. It's definately a scene stealing, can't take your eyes off him performance, but Gary Oldman is certainly as good and imo Eckharts as Harvey Dent is also, though both obviously in different ways. I take nothing away from Ledger, he's defined the Joker in a single performance for me, but he simply isn't leagues above anything even within the same film. Two things are happening imo: 1/ No matter what some might say, there is a certain amount of acclaim he's getting that is being increased considerably by the fact that he's dead. 2/ People are confusing an exceptional performance with a character that is exceptionally watchable.
I definately need to go see it again, I do like the film very much but from my initial viewing it's not at the point where I think it's amazing.
What I find unbelievable is that everyone is saying how fantastic Heath Ledger, Christian Bale, Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart were (and they were all absolutely superb), and yet, Morgan Freeman is in the film. One of the most celebrated actors of all time, and he hasn't really had a look in compared to the people mentioned above.
One of the most celebrated actors of all time, and he hasn't really had a look in compared to the people mentioned above.
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On wiki it says.
The report concludes, in part, "Mr. Heath Ledger died as the result of acute intoxication by the combined effects of oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine.
It also states definitively: "We have concluded that the manner of death is accident, resulting from the abuse of prescription medications"
What I find unbelievable is that everyone is saying how fantastic Heath Ledger, Christian Bale, Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart were (and they were all absolutely superb), and yet, Morgan Freeman is in the film.
But it wasn't exactly a challenging role for Freeman.
He has the issue of "morality" to deal with - which he seems to deal with rather quickly.
Other than that you really can't say this is one of his "best" performances because it is pretty run of the mill.
Not that I've got anything against Freeman at all, I really like the guy.
But when you've got a film full of difficult roles and very impressive performances, Freeman's performance was always going to be drowned out.
I hope there is a rethink on the Robin side of things.
Those that feel there is no place for the character I'm afraid don't "know" the character.
Without Robin, Batman would just continue to desend into darkness as the early books show.
This is why Robin continues to appear in the comics, even though the first one became a hero in his own right, the second one was killed by Joker...
Robin doesn't need to be "camp" in any way, shape or form and I'm assuming people are still thinking of the 60s TV show or even the "old" run of films as reference.
Use those as reference and we wouldn't have had the Joker we have just had in Dark Knight.
Robin provides the balance, but I'm assuming that maybe too deep a storyline for the cinema going public to cope with or really give a damn about.
Those that feel there is no place for the character I'm afraid don't "know" the character.
Without Robin, Batman would just continue to desend into darkness as the early books show.
This is why Robin continues to appear in the comics, even though the first one became a hero in his own right, the second one was killed by Joker...
Robin doesn't need to be "camp" in any way, shape or form and I'm assuming people are still thinking of the 60s TV show or even the "old" run of films as reference.
Use those as reference and we wouldn't have had the Joker we have just had in Dark Knight.
Robin provides the balance, but I'm assuming that maybe too deep a storyline for the cinema going public to cope with or really give a damn about.
As I recall it he puts a speaker in so he can listen in on radio comms which how he knew that Rachel was going to be attacked.
I saw this on opening day, before hand I watched Batman Begins and Batman : Gotham Knight.
The film is awesome, In my opinion its the the best of the year so far.
The lack of back story for the Joker works, any badguy that has the reasons why is he like he explaned loses the edge needed to be truly scary (see the remake of Halloween if you don't want to be scared of a badguy anymore)
Heath Ledger's Joker was perfect, as was Bales Batman and Aaron Eckhart's Two Face. What really surprised me was Gary Oldman's Gordon.. He vanashed into the part much like Ledger.
Christopher Nolan's vision for the film working in the real word again rocks, the action is better than Batman Begins.
All in all THE best Batman to date, and its not just me that thinks that.. there is a reason it has got 9.4 on IMDB
The film is awesome, In my opinion its the the best of the year so far.
The lack of back story for the Joker works, any badguy that has the reasons why is he like he explaned loses the edge needed to be truly scary (see the remake of Halloween if you don't want to be scared of a badguy anymore)
Heath Ledger's Joker was perfect, as was Bales Batman and Aaron Eckhart's Two Face. What really surprised me was Gary Oldman's Gordon.. He vanashed into the part much like Ledger.
Christopher Nolan's vision for the film working in the real word again rocks, the action is better than Batman Begins.
All in all THE best Batman to date, and its not just me that thinks that.. there is a reason it has got 9.4 on IMDB
If the Batman series stays with Nolan we won't see Robin or the Penguin. I read somewhere that he thought there was no room for Robin in his Batman films and the Penguin isn't a believable character.
I dno it could be done over 2 films as I really want Batman/Bruce to fall into this downward spiral and investigate the dark side of his character properly. Perhaps then in the second film Robin (or perhaps someone in all but name as I think Robin has quite a bad stigma) helps him ascend...
We know enough that Bruce Wayne has a dark side but I want that to manifest more into the Batman character, rather than he goes all too good too quickly...
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I wouldn't say Cat Women shouldn't be in it.
Now that Rachael is out of the picture and Batman is considered, the "Dark Knight", a social outcats (along as a protector) of Gotham, the role of Cat Women can see Batman into the more emotional side. (Not in a cheesy way mind.) Think of it as sleeping with the enemy...
And I very much agree, no Robin. Not yet.
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I dno it could be done over 2 films as I really want Batman/Bruce to fall into this downward spiral and investigate the dark side of his character properly. Perhaps then in the second film Robin (or perhaps someone in all but name as I think Robin has quite a bad stigma) helps him ascend...
We know enough that Bruce Wayne has a dark side but I want that to manifest more into the Batman character, rather than he goes all too good too quickly...
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I agree having robin in the next film is too early but i still think he can come in in no 4. As has been mentioned much of the stigma against robin: hes a weedy camp loser, doesnt need to be included in this remake. Itll be difficult to do but i think its possible and the story isnt complete without him.
Would love Harley Quinn - only ever been described as Jokers 'love interest'/sidekick - be good to do characters that havent already been tainted by the original films...
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haven't left the cinema in a long time so satisfied after a film, incredible movie.
after all the hype i expected to be letdown by ledgers performance also.....10 mins into the film i was gobsmacked.
they've going to find it very hard to live up to this one on the next installment.