Cheers for that, so basically 2 and 3 will be invalid once they see my documents for license and insurance (which the officer already knew I had as he checked - what an awesome system that we still need to produce them!) so I should then just be looking at the penalty for not producing which I'd imagine will be a small fine?
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Cheers for that, so basically 2 and 3 will be invalid once they see my documents for license and insurance (which the officer already knew I had as he checked - what an awesome system that we still need to produce them!) so I should then just be looking at the penalty for not producing which I'd imagine will be a small fine?
This is what happened to me yes - the no insurance charge was dropped immediately.
They've charged you for 3 offences
Not having a valid MOT certificate, driving without a license, and driving without insurance.
Because you didnt produce your documents. As said, if you bring your documents to court, you'll get charged for the lesser offence of not producing documents (as opposed to not having them) and this is only a fine.
As somebody has already put though, you should be able to avoid a court apperance altogether if you can arrange to present them. Try ringing the court service / going into local plod office to see what can be done.
Excellent, thanks for that. I thought that was what the 3 offences were but wasn't sure, didn't think they could summons me for all 3 considering they had already checked my insurance and license at the time I was pulled. Does anybody know roughly how long it takes for a new drivers license to arrive? I'd check the DVLA site myself but stuck in work at the moment.
fini, do you have a reference for the case you quoted? It's not on Lawtel or BAILII.
Take a look at the CPS advice:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_a.html#11
Read about the procedure here:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_a_annex_a.html
If it doesn't state on your summons, I would contact the Court and request that a police station is nominated to produce your documents at, then ask for a written acknowledgment from the police station to take to Court.
Take a look at the CPS advice:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_a.html#11
Read about the procedure here:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_a_annex_a.html
If it doesn't state on your summons, I would contact the Court and request that a police station is nominated to produce your documents at, then ask for a written acknowledgment from the police station to take to Court.
The charges you're mentioning do not fit the crime. Basically you've listed a point as "No Insurance" - well thats certainly not true. He had insurance and now has the proof to back this up. You are perhaps looking at this from entirely the wrong perspective. If he can can proove he had insurance at the time then he cannot be charged for "No Insurance" (which of course can mean a hefty fine and imprisonment) he can only be charged for the time delay (far less serious - probably a small fine).
to be fair to him, i did change my post to make it more clear what i was trying to say. I originally implied he should plead guilty to the offence of driving without a license, which of course he's not guilty of.
<Shakes head>
You guys ruined the troll.
Everyone was quite happily telling him he was going to prison, I stepped it up a bit. Then you all had to go and give real information so I gave you the reference DPP v Llort in case anyone thought I was trying to turn the thread into 'serious business' - it's 'troll' backwards! Then you all ruined it some more.
The thread contained much win until people started being serious.
Motors you used to be cool
<goes back to GD>
He has a driving license, whether he shows it at a police station within 7 days or not, therefore the insurance is valid. Not bringing something to a police station within 7 days does not suddenly magic it out of existence. He will provide proof he had these things at the appropriate time and all he should end up with is a slap on the wrist and a small fine + costs for the court time wasted.
Anything more than that would be ridiculous given the trivial offence and full prisons !
<Shakes head>
You guys ruined the troll.
Everyone was quite happily telling him he was going to prison, I stepped it up a bit. Then you all had to go and give real information so I gave you the reference DPP v Llort in case anyone thought I was trying to turn the thread into 'serious business' - it's 'troll' backwards! Then you all ruined it some more.
The thread contained much win until people started being serious.
Motors you used to be cool
<goes back to GD>
you were being too clever for your own good
<Shakes head>
You guys ruined the troll.
Everyone was quite happily telling him he was going to prison, I stepped it up a bit. Then you all had to go and give real information so I gave you the reference DPP v Llort in case anyone thought I was trying to turn the thread into 'serious business' - it's 'troll' backwards! Then you all ruined it some more.
The thread contained much win until people started being serious.
Motors you used to be cool
<goes back to GD>
haha I thought at first you may have been having me on but wasn't sure! Good effort
£50 and 10lb of Unflavored Whey do it?
The thread contained much win until people started being serious.
Motors you used to be cool
Yeah because its cool to kid people who want help that they're going to court isnt it
Its only funny for a while. After so long you all just look like *****s
Fiver and a cup of manmilk? Dirty bugger
Exactly my thoughts, looked ridiculous after a while.
If he does get a fine for courts wasted time (which I don't think he should) - a simple phone call from the police station reminding him would've avoided ALL this.
I'm not going to state the obvious and say that had he remembered then the call wouldn't be necessary.
surly the little yellow slip is enough of a reminder
i never once forgot to produce my documents when getting a producer.surly the little yellow slip is enough of a reminder
They took the yellow slip off me when I went in the first time to produce. I produced what I could but was waiting for a new certificate of insurance through the post and needed to apply for a new paper part of the drivers license. The officer at the local station said there was no deadline and just to call in when I could and I forgot :\ They could have atleast reminded me before issueing a court summons IMO.