"Discussion" with friend about steroids..

Wow... had the same discussion with a mate tonight. Both of us agreed that Cutler and Colman, there's no way they are "natural". BUt as said already... you CAN get very impressive build without juice.
 
The thing is even if you do take gear, the amount of hard work and dedication and required to get that big is mind blowing. In fact I doubt many of the people here (bar my fellow gym rats) know exactly how hard these guys have to work. It's almost obsessive levels of dedication.
 
Freefaller said:
The thing is even if you do take gear, the amount of hard work and dedication and required to get that big is mind blowing. In fact I doubt many of the people here (bar my fellow gym rats) know exactly how hard these guys have to work. It's almost obsessive levels of dedication.
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Exactly, I was sat in the pub the other day and we were giving one of my mates a bit of a ribbing about him being quite slightly built and he turned round and said i cant be on steroids if I was id be huge :o even though he never goes near a gym
 
Freefaller said:
The thing is even if you do take gear, the amount of hard work and dedication and required to get that big is mind blowing. In fact I doubt many of the people here (bar my fellow gym rats) know exactly how hard these guys have to work. It's almost obsessive levels of dedication.
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Yes! Extremely important point which onlookers forget - steroids don't mean you build muscle without doing any work.

Unfortunately in Dunstabale/Luton, a lot of young lads are juicing now (17-19) and openly admitting it, hoping to build huge physiques in a couple of weeks. A lad was just suspended from my brothers 6th form for having them in his bag :(
 
I'd say it was 99.99% certain that people like Coleman and Cutler are on steroids but they are also genetically 'gifted' and work incredibly hard both in their training and diet to reach the level they have. Most people would get nowhere near that sort of pinnacle with steroids, nor even if they had the optimum diet and worked as hard in the gym - some peoples bodies just aren't going to get there regardless of what they do.

You can make great gains as a 'natural' but to reach the size of the mass monsters you will need at least a little chemical assistance.
 
Oh they are on gear for sure. However you're right, they have the genes to build muscle. If I were to take some I know I could get to 17-18stone of very very lean muscle. I'd never do it as I just don't know enough about it, and to be honest the thought of putting lots of chemicals in me that I don't understand scares the crap out of me. Lastly I'm never going to take it THAT seriously, obviously I wouldn't say no to that size, but it's everything else that goes with it that I just couldn't cope with, i.e. the lifestyle change you need to go through just to live like that.
 
Easy enough - just stop taking them, they know when they are going to be tested.

Furthermore, it's just like any drug test, they don't do it that thoroughly, it's there for show really. If they really wanted to check they'd do hair samples and much more intrisinc checking. I can gurantee that a huge proportion of top end atheletes have at some point used performance enhancing drugs - the tests are merely a formality, that's why there is a 3 strike rule, so they can refuse to take the test a couple of times and be "clean" by the time the 3rd test takes place.

The testing is a joke tbh.
 
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Also, if they are on steroids, how the hell are they able to pass through the bodybuilding competitions when they now test for steroids? There must be new drugs or something now.
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As I understand it there are two standards of competition - those for naturals which tend to be the smaller competitions (which are more strictly tested) and the other more famous competitions such as Mr Olympia which by default are open to those taking steroids/HGH etc as they aren't as stringent in their testing regime. It might not be explicitly stated but it is rather implied since they don't have the 'natural' banner that competitors could be on something or other..
 
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Also, if they are on steroids, how the hell are they able to pass through the bodybuilding competitions when they now test for steroids? There must be new drugs or something now.
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Common misconception, they are not tested.

The biggest competitions are un-tested, natural bodybuilding which is tested is a lot smaller and has no where near as much coverage or money involved.

You only have to look at the size difference between the two types of contests ;)
 
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My god, I can't believe what I am reading. So, even though people have moaned and complained about steroids over the years (About them being unfair and in some ways 'cheating'), and having to implement vigorous testing, it is still being overlooked?

Do you think Arnie, back in the day was using them all the time? I know he got big, but I still think someone could get to his size without using them.
 
He has categorically admitted that he did use them, well... he stated it was to help him cut and maintain muscle... but you know anabolics are still anabolics, and if you train hard with a good diet, you're going to put on size no matter what spin you put on it! ;)

As Wardie says just look at the size differences between naturals and non - naturals can get very big, well over 100kgs of bodyweight. In comparison people like Jay Cutler get to weights in excess of 120kgs and lean as hell.
 
Secret_Window said:
My god, I can't believe what I am reading. So, even though people have moaned and complained about steroids over the years (About them being unfair and in some ways 'cheating'), and having to implement vigorous testing, it is still being overlooked?

Do you think Arnie, back in the day was using them all the time? I know he got big, but I still think someone could get to his size without using them.
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You can not build a physique like Arnies without steroids. He was a genetic freak, AND took steroids. He was massive by 19 and has admitted using steroids at an early age.

It's not really regarded as cheating in the bodybuilding world. Those who are involved know that there is natural and un-tested contests, natural bodybuilding is however a lot smaller.

Olympic lifters are still tested, but this is totally different to bodybuilding as they are actually trying to lift the most weight on stage. All olympic atheletes are tested, but there's no way that some people in the olympics are not taking some form of performance enhancements.
 
For some reason it is viewed slightly differently in bodybuilding than it is in athletics (say) and it is more accepted that people will be taking some sort of drugs to be a mass-monster. I'm not sure quite why that is, perhaps because bodybuilding is a discipline that impacts less on public conciousness than athletics.

And I believe that Schwarzenegger was using anabolic steroids way back when they were legal.
 
There's a couple of things that have always made me want to point the finger, and that is at certain actors gaining muscle in a short space of time. Although, two of them aren't really that huge, but it makes you wonder how the hell they did it. First example is Edward Norton in American History X (not huge, but claimed to have gained 30lbs of muscle) and second example is Christian Bale, who was a skeleton in The Machinist and pretty big in Batman Begins with only a few months between the two movies.
 
Christian Bale would have a fair bit of muscle memory from films like American Psycho, not so sure about Ed Norton. Don't underestimate what people can do with good diet, hard work and not much else to do other than concentrate on getting big though.

That said, if they were taking drugs to do so does it really matter? I don't think it is as important as hoping/ensuring that athletics is clean.
 
Steroid use is actually legal in the UK, and if done correctly it isn't really as unhealthy as people believe. Most people however do abuse it.

The reason it is so massive within bodybuilding is because the bigger guy always wins the event these days.

It comes down to the fact that some people are prepared to do anything to be the best.

If that means they need to take steroids, they'll do so. But when everyone else in the game takes steroids, what do you do? Take even more!
 
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