"Discussion" with friend about steroids..

semi-pro waster said:
Christian Bale would have a fair bit of muscle memory from films like American Psycho, not so sure about Ed Norton. Don't underestimate what people can do with good diet, hard work and not much else to do other than concentrate on getting big though.

That said, if they were taking drugs to do so does it really matter? I don't think it is as important as hoping/ensuring that athletics is clean.
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It doesn't really matter no, I mean it's there choice. It's just that when you hear claims of gaining 30lbs of muscle in 3 months, it makes one wonder...

I agree, with altheletes having to be clean though.
 
However believe it or not atheletes are still doping up, they're just more careful about it. A lot of retired atheletes not necessarily olympics, have admitted upon retiring that they did use performance enhancing drugs during their training, but stopped early enough before the comps. Is that fair? That's open to debate, eitherway it's not a magic solution you still need to work damned hard to get where you want to be.
 
see this is interesting, I kind of dont see a problem with using them during training, as its going to happen anyway unless its drug testing throughout the year, aslong as they are clean for a certain time before testing.
I once concidered maybe dabbling in some performance enhancing stuff to make getting up to my fitness for armed forces easier, to get past that first hurdle(as my fitness was a joke), but just like most things I didnt really give it enough thought and left it too late to be able to even concider it. Glad i never bothered after doing a practice fitness test the other day which I suprised myself with, got a good buzz out of it.
 
The problem with that is, steroids are not healthy if abused. Making them acceptable in sport means that those not willing to compromise their health will be forced to compete in totally natural contests, as they will not be able to keep up with others who may be willing to win at any cost.

Is it really the right message?
 
indeed, you are right. They need to rehash the testing then tbh, make it something that happens monthly or something. Lets face it theres too much doping going on in the publics eyes nowadays anyway.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Christian Bale would have a fair bit of muscle memory from films like American Psycho, not so sure about Ed Norton. Don't underestimate what people can do with good diet, hard work......
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....and a good pharmacist, like Signature Pharmacy, for example ;)
 
Theirs a good documentary knocking about at the moment called 'Bigger Faster Stronger'

It gives a good honest account on steroids and other PED's instead of all the biased scaremongering the media usually show.
 
There was a about 14-15 months between the premiers of both films, but tbh that doesn't tell you much. I have no idea what date the films were shot but, he was vastly underweight for the Machinist and its fairly easy to gain when you are so far below your normal weight, he had probably more than a year to do it, seems fairly easy. As for Norton he was always just a skinny dude in the first place with low bf%, probably with a relatively low amount of muscle so working out, with genetics that lend themselves to not really gaining fat, putting on that much muscle with beginner gains and a bunch of people employed to make all his meals and drag him through training, probably quite easy to build that much muscle in those circumstances.

The only thing I don't get about being "huge", like utterly huge is, the biggest guys, what exactly do they do except be utterly huge. Just being so big limits your mobility, flexibility, speed, agility and so forth. After dropping weight I'm aiming for a boxers/footballers build really, as being in shape, very lean with an ok amount of muscle will make life easier and sport (if my knee's ever get better) very competitive. If you just get huge, you can't really do anything except be huge. I just don't get the point myself.
 
You need to get pretty blood huge before it stops you being able to do things. The size of Christian Bale in batman would definitely not be a level where he is significantly impaired in sports by his size by any stretch. Check out rugby players, they can be fairly solidly built guys but they ain't slouches running about the pitch. Someone who is really trying to get huge though is not likely to do it for sporting reasons, they do it for the aesthetics so it is being huge for hugeness sake. Thats just a personal choice
 
drunkenmaster said:
The only thing I don't get about being "huge", like utterly huge is, the biggest guys, what exactly do they do except be utterly huge. Just being so big limits your mobility, flexibility, speed, agility and so forth. After dropping weight I'm aiming for a boxers/footballers build really, as being in shape, very lean with an ok amount of muscle will make life easier and sport (if my knee's ever get better) very competitive. If you just get huge, you can't really do anything except be huge. I just don't get the point myself.
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Ronnie Coleman was a police officer while he won 5 of his 7 Olympia titles (think i've got that right). Can't remember which video its in but the film follows him on a "normal" day - from getting up, eating, training, eating, going to work, eating, training and eating, more eating, some eating then eating and bed :D

heeeed said:
You need to get pretty blood huge before it stops you being able to do things. The size of Christian Bale in batman would definitely not be a level where he is significantly impaired in sports by his size by any stretch. Check out rugby players, they can be fairly solidly built guys but they ain't slouches running about the pitch. Someone who is really trying to get huge though is not likely to do it for sporting reasons, they do it for the aesthetics so it is being huge for hugeness sake. Thats just a personal choice
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Think he's talking about pro bodybuilders ;)
 
i read a great interview on t-nation about steroids by a guy who has taken them, with almost no side effects, in MASSIVE doses, since he was about 14, very enlightening but very sweary-laden so no link (look up steroids in the articles section "must reads" the one with the pic of a guys back).

Fact is roids are a bodybuilders 'trump' card. You have a god given genetic limit, a maximum achieveable level. For some people this wont even be close to impressive, you'll just be a lumpy skinny guy. When you reach this limit, either a strength limit or size limit, you then and ONLY then should consider juicing. Its not that taking dianabol in handfuls when your regular size wont help give you a bigger body (and smaller balls) but you're not in a position to competantly or effectivley employ steroid use. You listen to someone actually talk about professional steroid use and its like being given a pharmacutical lecture coupled with a nutritional and physiological master class. The bloke who do this for work REALLY know what they are doing, which is why many many, even most, pro bodybuilders can be permanently on steroids while some meathead down your gym drops dead of heart failure at 30.

Steroids are part of the sport, most people you have seen with good bodies have done them, hollywood is famous for it, arnie and sly are a given but gerard butler and a lot of the cast from 300 are heavily suspected of it too. Fact is it's natural like the weed heads love to remind us, god grew it and so its ok, steroids are just natural drugs found in the body, no bodybuilder would turn down a rat steak if it turned out to boost test by 200% would they? But everyone has a beef because you put it in with a needle like some junkie.
 
The problem is lack of knowledge, the majority of people know nothing about steroids.

I was watching a documentary on Nat Geo the other day and guy was going on about how their just as bad as crack and heroin. He was saying that bodybuilders inject steroids into their veins and loads of other rubbish.

Now some people would have watched that and will now believe that bodybuilders actually inject into their veins. When in reality it's one of the most dangerous things to do.

Then you've got that documentary with Greg Valentino with the freaky biceps. His arms didn't get that messed up from steroids but from injecting a legal substance called synthol. But yet again the media try and place the blame solely on steroids.

It's no wonder people have such a negative view on them with all the rubbish shown on tv.

This is good clip to show what I mean.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rKHFXO8q4Tk
 
I have a tub of Methandrobol, But I dont think I will ever take them, too scared, will just carry on how I am atm.
 
I have read and read and read about steroid use, I know about taking milk thistle it's in the pot next to it :P

Just too scared to take it, It does state on the pot to take milk thistle as its liver toxic.

I think there is more natural size left in the tank!
 
Billy 2 Sips said:
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Yeh I've never had a problem with gyno but some people are prone to it.
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As i understand its like 30% chance of drug induced gyno in most folk. Funny thing is in most stories ive read where people have got it its not because of dumb-ass bals to the wall abuse, its because they take test or dbol for 3 weeks get scared and dont taper, estrogen goes thru the roof and, 'flub', ****.
 
I really doubt Coleman is natural. Cutler might be though. It's unlikely, but I think it's possible to get that big naturally.

Personally I think it's completely fine for people to take them, and don't have a problem with athletes doing so as long as they are in separate competitions.
 
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