Been wanting a Focus ST for ages...

olv · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:16

msm722 said:
ST170 is hardly a dream car. I assum he's talking about the newer ones.

neither are the new ones

clv101 · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:18

The Mad Rapper said:
The current cost of fuel is a result of greed in two distinct camps, the Government and Oil Futures speculators.

Urm, that'll be the wrong answer then. The price rise this year has very little to do with either government policy (which has dropped duty in real terms) or "futures speculators" whatever they are. The relationship between the spot price and the futures price hasn't changed and the "futures speculators" don't participate in the spot market as they can't take physical delivery.

The Mad Rapper · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:27

clv101 said:
Urm, that'll be the wrong answer then. The price rise this year has very little to do with either government policy (which has dropped duty in real terms) or "futures speculators" whatever they are. The relationship between the spot price and the futures price hasn't changed and the "futures speculators" don't participate in the spot market as they can't take physical delivery.

No, it's not the wrong answer. Tax forms a large percentage of the cost of fuel, and although it hasn't risen it hasn't decreased either.

I suggest you learn the difference between the spot price and the futures price, they are intrinsically linked. The price of futures is directly responsible for increased cost at the pumps.

peterattheboro · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:35

Considered a Focus RS PiKe?

PiKe · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:41

peterattheboro said:
Considered a Focus RS PiKe?

I have not, presume we're talking about the old one?

peterattheboro · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:42

PiKe said:
I have not, presume we're talking about the old one?

Yeah.

http://pistonheads.com/sales/637197.htm

Loads on pistonheads.

LiE · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:42

I like the new one

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/225429/ford_focus_rs.html

PiKe · 4 Aug 2008 at 16:46

New one looks mean!

Gaygle · 4 Aug 2008 at 17:38

msm722 said:
2nd hand ones can be had for 14-16k. Go get one and enjoy.

Can get a good one for under 12k now - they have depreciated loads. However, when they were new they were brilliant value for money, but now, they're ridiculous value for money. Same as the other ST models.

clv101 · 4 Aug 2008 at 18:12

The Mad Rapper said:
I suggest you learn the difference between the spot price and the futures price, they are intrinsically linked. The price of futures is directly responsible for increased cost at the pumps.

Could you educate me on this relationship please? How does the linkage work?

zain · 4 Aug 2008 at 23:09

The ST-3 is a complete beast, plenty of internet dealers and price matching main dealers to buy well specced new ones @ 17k.

The biggest let down is the depreciation, plus I wonder how well the car will be after 2 or 3 years.

Slackworth · 5 Aug 2008 at 00:33

Have you had a test drive in one?

It was the only car I didn't drive before purchasing and after 3 months it went. Just didn't like it.

Averaged around 32MPG on the A50. :eek:

PiKe · 5 Aug 2008 at 10:04

Slackworth said:
Have you had a test drive in one?

It was the only car I didn't drive before purchasing and after 3 months it went. Just didn't like it. Averaged around 32MPG on the A50.

Not yet no, what didn't you like about it other than MPG?

Rwac · 5 Aug 2008 at 10:09

PiKe said:
Not yet no, what didn't you like about it other than MPG?

Not quite sure how you wouldn't like a test drive in the ST. It's fairly rapid, felt like it stuck to the road nicely when turning in and didnt pickup bad road surfaces too badly (for a sporty car).

I can see how the 32mpg on the motorway could hurt though!

Dogbreath · 5 Aug 2008 at 10:17

Slackworth said:
Have you had a test drive in one?

It was the only car I didn't drive before purchasing and after 3 months it went. Just didn't like it. Averaged around 32MPG on the A50.

That's not bad for a 220bhp turbocharged engine, I never managed 32mpg from either my MR2 or the Fiat Coupe, even driving like a granny.

Sneaky Peaky · 5 Aug 2008 at 11:13

You'll be lucky to see 22mpg let alone 32mpg in normal usage !

LiE · 5 Aug 2008 at 11:24

Sneaky Peaky said:
You'll be lucky to see 22mpg let alone 32mpg in normal usage !

Exactly - the price to pay for having a faster car.

PiKe · 5 Aug 2008 at 11:45

It's only a small turbo on these isn't it? So it comes in pretty quick?

LiE · 5 Aug 2008 at 11:46

PiKe go take a test drive. Your mind will be made up after that.

Yes the turbo comes in quite low down.

wassap · 5 Aug 2008 at 12:05

Ive got one, and have had one for 2 years now.

The car itself is very nice, its not a track monster, ala CTR,Megane.its a nice comfy cruiser imo, the engine has quite a lazy power delivery method which suits the car well, its got a fabulous sound track.

Mines gets driven reasonbly enthusiastically, but i do a lot of Motorway miles, i can get 33mpg, but more often than not its around 27mpg, around town 22-24 is the norm.Ive had mine for 2 years and have clocked up 61k, and its lost no power (see RR thread) I have had next to no problems with it.

Would I buy one, with my own money? no, get a Golf GTI instead, better MPG,easier on tyres, and a touch more quality inside.

Dunno how old you are mate, by the sounds of it, you are quite young, you have plenty of time to own a nice 'dream' car, this is the problem with the yoof of today, they want it all,NOW