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PC Killer does not deserve a life sentence
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OMG what ?
I'm sick of all these killers who are guilty beyond all doubt living a life of riley inside, shoot the lot of them...
I'm sure the family of the murdered copper would have gladly pushed a button on this scum to end his worthless life...hell, just give them the choice.
Nice that your sticking up for him on the interweb though
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Sorry for boring you dude, everyone has a right to a opinion, and I hate to say it's most likely the same opinion of the family of this poor guy who pleaded for his life and was shot in cold blood.
You wanna tell them to get over it also ?
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I just don't think a jail sentence of any length is enough of a punishment, 37 years inside min ?, makes no odds 37 47 57.. all the same. People like this guy should pay the ultimate price, and you never know, with punishments like death in place people might think twice about commiting the crime in the first place. (though of course would not stop the mental cases, but pre-meditated murder deffo reduced)
Looks at some arab states, you can leave you keys in car and house open, nothing ever gets stolen.. reason is (afaik), if caught you lose a arm / hand. This is a way forward IMO, tough punishments mean crime lower.
Looks at some arab states, you can leave you keys in car and house open, nothing ever gets stolen.. reason is (afaik), if caught you lose a arm / hand. This is a way forward IMO, tough punishments mean crime lower.
America and china show thats not true though.
I'm sure it has some effect.. even if not by much surely better to rid us all of the burden for paying for a life in a expensive all inclusive hotel (prison)
Tough punishments on more petty crimes deffo do work...
Tough punishments on more petty crimes deffo do work...
As you said the death penalty wouldn't do anything to stop psychopath's killing and it is by far the easiest way out for someone who actually feels guilt for what they've done, i think prison should be as basic and restrictive as possible, and i know that some are, but it should be as horrible as possible, no interaction with anyone, absolute basics to eat etc. you'll reach a point where the length of time served makes little difference
so you advocate a petty thief having their hands cut off?
I am very much of the opinion that the death penalty would have much less affect in this country than many others because it is essentially saying "we think what you've done is so bad we cant punish you, so we'll let you be judged and punished in the afterlife" that is the reason it's the worst punishment we can give out, it's not to do with taking away their life, think about the societys that created death penalties, they were much more religious as a whole. I dont think that's the right attitude to take in todays society, if I killed someone, with the guilt i'd feel the easiest way out would be to take my life, if someone else is going to do it who cares
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If it makes such a difference you'd expect lots of statistics to back this up, I can't say I've seen any. What is more likely to deter criminals is higher clear-up rates, if you've got say a 10% chance of being caught but you will be sent down for 5 years or a 50% chance of being caught and a prison sentence of 2 years which would be the better odds? I rather suspect that being caught half the time and sentenced to a lower tariff would be slightly more offputting than knowing you are only likely to be caught one in every ten times on average.
Also if you think that prison is a hotel then I never want to go on holiday with you as your choice of accomodation must suck.
As for the original post, it's a shocking crime but if it doesn't merit a whole life tariff on the facts of the case then Bieber shouldn't get one. We can't simply make exceptions because this crime disgusts us more than another crime - apply the laws equally and fairly for all or you enter very dangerous territory.
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As much as I'd like to agree that a death sentence would be the answer (and I do think this guy deserves it), the only way to do it would be when it's a clear cut case (like this one).
The problem with that is that someone(s) would still need to decide what's clear cut. At first, it'll be the cases where there are lots of witnesses or it's been captured on CCTV or something. Overtime though, I'm sure it would get cloudy and cases which aren't clear cut would be treated as if they were.
The problem with that is that someone(s) would still need to decide what's clear cut. At first, it'll be the cases where there are lots of witnesses or it's been captured on CCTV or something. Overtime though, I'm sure it would get cloudy and cases which aren't clear cut would be treated as if they were.
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Sorry for boring you dude, everyone has a right to a opinion, and I hate to say it's most likely the same opinion of the family of this poor guy who pleaded for his life and was shot in cold blood.
You wanna tell them to get over it also ?
Which is why the family's of victims have no say in the punishment, it's justice, not revenge...
totally, imagine the reduction in the rate of current petty theft, no more chav scum walking around stealing as they please.
something needs to be done.. I can't think of any better solutions.
not revenge, just the ultimate punishment. if you kill in cold blood you don't deserve to be part of the human race on any level and should be removed.
If you want a reason why emotion shouldn't enter into sentancing, read Flukester's posts 
In this case, the Judge didn't apply the sentancing guidelines correctly, and that's why the whole life sentance wasn't appropriate. The fact that the victim was a policeman isn't really relevant to the sentancing, and compared to some murders (the type that normally attract whole life sentancing), shooting someone twice rather than walking away is positively mild.
In this case, the Judge didn't apply the sentancing guidelines correctly, and that's why the whole life sentance wasn't appropriate. The fact that the victim was a policeman isn't really relevant to the sentancing, and compared to some murders (the type that normally attract whole life sentancing), shooting someone twice rather than walking away is positively mild.
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Thats not justice, thats just wanting to kill them too. It's just an emotional knee-jerk response, how does killing people serve justice? When the state starts killing people how are we any better than them?
What is justice in this case then ?, I think prison is too good for him.
