McCanns going too far?

no it would have been neglect...

what age is a child allowed to be left alone in a house?

Search back through this thread, we've been over what neglect is before, the McCann's are clearly not guilty of it.

im sure if it was some chav family who nipped next door to the pub and checked on there child every 30minutes no one would be defending them but because its 2 people with well paid jobs its a different story

Really? No-one criticised the parents of Shannon Matthews when they thought she'd been abducted by a stranger, despite breaking your golden rule of "never leave them alone even for a second".
 
theres a big difference between a 4year old beeing left alone without knowing where there parents and a 9year old walking home from school. (something many 9 years old do everyday)
 
theres a big difference between a 4year old beeing left alone without knowing where there parents and a 9year old walking home from school. (something many 9 years old do everyday)

Because a 9 year old is so much better able to defend themselves from a predator? According to some posters here their kids are never being left alone until their 21st birthday lol.
 
Really? No-one criticised the parents of Shannon Matthews when they thought she'd been abducted by a stranger, despite breaking your golden rule of "never leave them alone even for a second".

Go back and check the relevant thread, I criticised her from day one! Also, I saw straight through their pathetic little plan and called it exactly right a good two or three weeks before she was found. :)
 
At the risk of being shot and told it is old...

Kate & Gerry McCann are to celebrate being cleared with a slap up meal... If anyones interested the twins are upstairs, 3rd door on the left and the keys are under the plant pot......
 
No one is disputing what happened was a tragic mistake any way you look at it. It's just the people whining because they think the McCanns are doing something wrong by trying to keep as many people looking for their daughter that need to think about what they are actually saying.

If you were a parent with a missing child would you go for a year and the decide, "oh well, I might be boring some kids on internet forums, lets write our child off as gone and keep just keep quiet"? or would you do anything you could to keep visibility as high as possible in the hope someone would spot her or at the very least you'd find out what happened?
I agree with you, Athanor. I have always believed that the parents were responsible for their child going missing (whether that's because they allowed the situation where someone could abduct the child to occur, or because they were involved in some other way... who knows - we may never know) but if I was in the position where my son was missing I'd be keeping the spotlight on the story too.

If the McCanns were to go back to their normal everyday life, then I'm sure they'd be berated by some for not wanting to keep the story in the headlines.
 
If the McCanns were to go back to their normal everyday life, then I'm sure they'd be berated by some for not wanting to keep the story in the headlines.

Obviously 99% of the posters on here could easily put their childs murder/abduction to the side and get on with life.
The other 1% would want to keep going until we had closure and especially if it was our fault.
I'm afraid I'm not as hard as some on here.
Or perhaps most of the 99% haven't got kids of their own?
 
Obviously 99% of the posters on here could easily put their childs murder/abduction to the side and get on with life.
The other 1% would want to keep going until we had closure and especially if it was our fault.
I'm afraid I'm not as hard as some on here.
Or perhaps most of the 99% haven't got kids of their own?

But 99% of the posters here would have taken better precautions against the situation occuring, making it significantly less likely in the first place, or at least acknowledged that our behaviour facilitiated the abduction if nothing else.
 
But 99% of the posters here would have taken better precautions against the situation occuring, making it significantly less likely in the first place, or at least acknowledged that our behaviour facilitiated the abduction if nothing else.

Yeah I know.....think about it though, leaving your kids unattended at that age is the most stupid thing I've ever seen. Anything can happen to them, they can get a hold of anything and basically kill themselves.

In this country they would have been instantly done for Neglect and probably had the rest of their children taken from them but because it was in a foreign country they are the victims of some "predator" who was always out to get them....clearly regardless of what they did the McCanns would have lost Maddie. :rolleyes:
 
I can never understand obvoiously what they went through/are going through, but to what they are doing, it makes me feel, very ill.

What do they need to raise more money for when they have a charity for it anyway? how much more money do they need and what will it even be used for?

:confused:
 
As the Portuguese Police files have now been made public, this stood out for me.

Kate McCann was asked during her police interview:

"Did you have anything to do with the disappearance of your daughter?"

Her response, she refused to answer the question. No why in light of the fact they vehemently deny having anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter would she refuse to answer that question?

I don't think you can draw any conclusions from that one answer as she refused to answer other questions too but it just seems strange to me.
 
I'm liking the fact that the McCann's are bitching and moaning about being made suspects on certian evidence, when the evidence against Robert Murat was much less convincing...

The McCann's or their friends are still the most likely suspects statistically, and that's without the simply facilitating the crime through neglect that Social services should be looking at with regards to the parents.
 
I'm liking the fact that the McCann's are bitching and moaning about being made suspects on certian evidence, when the evidence against Robert Murat was much less convincing...

As I understand it, they were made suspects because of an inconclusive DNA test. I'd be a bit annoyed if that was me tbh. I'm not aware of what the evidence for making Robert Murat a suspect was :confused:

The McCann's or their friends are still the most likely suspects statistically, and that's without the simply facilitating the crime through neglect that Social services should be looking at with regards to the parents.

Fortunately we live in a world where people are convicted on evidence, not statistics, and there's no evidence of neglect either.
 
As I understand it, they were made suspects because of an inconclusive DNA test. I'd be a bit annoyed if that was me tbh. I'm not aware of what the evidence for making Robert Murat a suspect was :confused:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article2324200.ece

Anglo-Portuguese man in his early thirties who has separated from his English wife, has a girlfriend estranged from her own husband, and is sharing a house with his mother, not far from where Madeleine McCann disappeared. After her disappearance he volunteered to help. He hired a car for a few days. His house has a cellar. He has a friendly business connection with a 22-year-old

Russian IT operative, Sergey Malinka, who was (it was reported) claimed by a workmate once to have boasted about underage sex. Mr Murat and Mr Malinka have spoken to each other on mobile phones. And Mr Murat has a four-year-old daughter who (somebody says) looks like Madeleine. Oh — and he’s blind in one eye.

That was basically it.

Fortunately we live in a world where people are convicted on evidence, not statistics, and there's no evidence of neglect either.

Conviction and suspicion are two seperate things. As for the neglect thing, if you think leaving three under 5's alone while you go out with friends about half a kilometer away isn't being neglectful, then I really worry.

What would your response be if Sharon and Kevin, from sinkhole estate in the northeast, left their young children alone while they went out for the evening on the other side of the estate, just checking on them occasionally, and something bad happened to one of the children? I know what social services' response would be, and it's not the same response the McCann's have recieved...
 
Obviously 99% of the posters on here could easily put their childs murder/abduction to the side and get on with life.
The other 1% would want to keep going until we had closure and especially if it was our fault.
I'm afraid I'm not as hard as some on here.
Or perhaps most of the 99% haven't got kids of their own?

Some of us 99% wouldn't leave our kids unattended while getting ****** off our faces elsewhere, like good responsible parents.

And as for that wall of silence from the mother? Dodgy as hell.
 

Shocking. I don't agree with this "aguido" status thing - the police should have suspects, but they should not really be named publicly. One thing's for sure, the British press didn't understand what the "aguido" status meant either.

My understanding is that the British police always suspect the parents in child abduction cases, and I would expect that if the abduction had happened in Britain then the McCann's could be ruled out fairly quickly with the minimum of fuss.

Conviction and suspicion are two seperate things.

Indeed they are. Shame quite a few posters in this thread don't seem to realise this.

As for the neglect thing, if you think leaving three under 5's alone while you go out with friends about half a kilometer away isn't being neglectful, then I really worry.

They were checked on every 30 minutes. Neither the British nor the Portuguese authorities think it's neglect either, or they would have charged them, so I don't know how you and others think you know what neglect is better than these?

What would your response be if Sharon and Kevin, from sinkhole estate in the northeast, left their young children alone while they went out for the evening on the other side of the estate, just checking on them occasionally, and something bad happened to one of the children? I know what social services' response would be, and it's not the same response the McCann's have recieved...

If they'd have checked on their kids every 30 minutes or so, my response would be the same. I expect the social services response would have been the same also.
 
Shocking. I don't agree with this "aguido" status thing - the police should have suspects, but they should not really be named publicly. One thing's for sure, the British press didn't understand what the "aguido" status meant either.

The problem is Arguido is a double edged sword. The police cannot ask certain questions without declaring your Arguido, and you gain certain rights that you do not have without the status. The counter is that it's public (mind you, we don't keep suspects private, so that's not really a difference, get arrested or accused of anything in this country and it's all over the papers, just ask John Leslie or Craig Charles)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguido

My understanding is that the British police always suspect the parents in child abduction cases, and I would expect that if the abduction had happened in Britain then the McCann's could be ruled out fairly quickly with the minimum of fuss.

Or would have been suspects from the start and would have had a lot less freedom with evidence (such as that cuddly toy that was washed multiple times) than they had in Portugal. Again, it's a double-edged sword.

Indeed they are. Shame quite a few posters in this thread don't seem to realise this.

Indeed, on both sides. My suspicions still point to the parents being far more involved than they have let on, but that doesn't mean I think they will be convicted. Any prospect of any sort of conviction for anyone in this case is long gone.

They were checked on every 30 minutes. Neither the British nor the Portuguese authorities think it's neglect either, or they would have charged them, so I don't know how you and others think you know what neglect is better than these?

I don't have negative publicity to worry about ;)

If they'd have checked on their kids every 30 minutes or so, my response would be the same. I expect the social services response would have been the same also.

Well, except as the timeline shows, they weren't checked on that often, not really.

1730: Kate and Gerry McCann pick up their three children from afternoon tea at the Ocean Club

1800: Gerry begins a game of tennis with other guests

1840: David Payne checks on Kate and the children, at Gerry's request and sees Madeleine

1900: Gerry finishes playing tennis

2035: Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at the Ocean Club's tapas restaurant

2105: Gerry checks on his children, and sees Madeleine alive and well

2115: Having left the table to check on her own children, Jane Tanner sees a man carrying a child, close to the McCanns' apartment

2130: Matthew Oldfield checks on the McCanns' apartment. Hearing no noise from the children's bedroom, he assumes all is well and leaves without seeing Madeleine

2200: Kate McCann checks on her children. Madeleine is gone.

Taken from http://www.mccannfiles.com/id18.html

There's actually an hour between anyone actually checking on the children, and note it doesn't say what time they left for dinner, but what time they arrived at the restaurant.

I still can't reconcile the idea of leaving kids while you go off for dinner and being good parents. Perhaps it's because my parents never behaved in such a manner.
 
Fortunately we live in a world where people are convicted on evidence, not statistics, and there's no evidence of neglect either.

I find it quite frankly astounding that you do not think leaving 3 children all under the age of 4 alone and out of sight in anyway neglectful, on top of this the parents were 400 - 500 metres away consuming copious amounts of wine and generally having a knees up, neglectful, damn right it was.

And as for the "they checked every 30 minutes statement" well that too is an astonishing thing to say, children can injure themselves in a matter of seconds never mind 30 minutes.
 
[TW]Fox;12223113 said:
Which clearly isnt enough or the kid would still be there. With such a blase attitude towards child safety I can only hope you dont treat your own kids like that!

Me and my wife have never ever left our child alone when we have been on holiday, we took it in turns to look after her or other family members that have been on holiday with us looked after her while me and Mrs Slinwagh had some time to ourselves, out daughter is 4, 5 in February.

As a parent you have to make sacrifices, going out on the lash is one of them.
 
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