McCanns going too far?

it's the age of disposable everything, including kids.

there is more and more stories that come out every week in which you think "why do these ppl have kids"

just the way they the mcanns behave in press conferences and in general, i've just always had a strong feeling they are hiding something....they've never looked genuinely emotional imo. of course hunches and feelings can't be used to convict anybody of anything but with a distinct lack of any kind of evidence there's not a lot else to go by.

i also agree entirely had it been mr and mrs slob from an estate in wherever that protective services would have taken over the other children ages ago, but the mcanns get a free pass because they're supposed "upholding citizens".
 
Dolph said:
The problem is Arguido is a double edged sword. The police cannot ask certain questions without declaring your Arguido, and you gain certain rights that you do not have without the status. The counter is that it's public (mind you, we don't keep suspects private, so that's not really a difference, get arrested or accused of anything in this country and it's all over the papers, just ask John Leslie or Craig Charles)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguido
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That's only because their system works that way. Like I said, it sounds like a pretty inefficient and archaic system, the police should be able to ask you whatever they want, and you should be able to have legal protection if you want it from the start.

WRT keeping suspects quiet - the police only ever say things like "a 29 year old man is helping police with their enquiries" etc. If the press find out who that 29 year old man is then they are free to publish it, with the proviso that there is a line they can't cross without consequences, as they found out when they had to pay out to both Robert Murat and the McCann's.

Dolph said:
Or would have been suspects from the start and would have had a lot less freedom with evidence (such as that cuddly toy that was washed multiple times) than they had in Portugal. Again, it's a double-edged sword.
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Agree, again the Portuguese failed Maddy massively here.

Dolph said:
Indeed, on both sides. My suspicions still point to the parents being far more involved than they have let on, but that doesn't mean I think they will be convicted. Any prospect of any sort of conviction for anyone in this case is long gone.
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Since (I hope) we all believe in innocent until proven guilty, it's only one side who are fault here. The best chance for a conviction is to find out what to Maddy, either find her body or her whereabouts. Now that the Portuguese police aren't involved, I'd say the probability of this happening has increased. For once, I'll agree that a private company will prove more effective than a public organisation in this instance ;)

Dolph said:
Well, except as the timeline shows, they weren't checked on that often, not really.

Taken from http://www.mccannfiles.com/id18.html

There's actually an hour between anyone actually checking on the children, and note it doesn't say what time they left for dinner, but what time they arrived at the restaurant.

I still can't reconcile the idea of leaving kids while you go off for dinner and being good parents. Perhaps it's because my parents never behaved in such a manner.
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Well, my parents did and I can't see that I was neglected. Back when I was a kid this was the norm, but with the recent hysteria about paedophiles it's becoming less common. It's a shame because I think parent's should be able to enjoy holidays too.

It's also to be remembered that the much vaunted "baby-listening" service was basically to do the same as the McCann's and the Tapas 7 did, only with a stranger listening at the door, not going in and checking they're ok - obviously Mark Warner holidays thought this wasn't neglect either.
 
[TW]Fox;12223113 said:
Which clearly isnt enough or the kid would still be there. With such a blase attitude towards child safety I can only hope you dont treat your own kids like that!
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No, the kid would still be there if whoever abducted her hadn't have done so.
 
scorza said:
That's only because their system works that way. Like I said, it sounds like a pretty inefficient and archaic system, the police should be able to ask you whatever they want, and you should be able to have legal protection if you want it from the start.

WRT keeping suspects quiet - the police only ever say things like "a 29 year old man is helping police with their enquiries" etc. If the press find out who that 29 year old man is then they are free to publish it, with the proviso that there is a line they can't cross without consequences, as they found out when they had to pay out to both Robert Murat and the McCann's.
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Indeed, but I'd much rather they introduced anonymity until conviction for many of the hot topic subjects (such as sexual assualts) given that many people do not follow the 'no smoke without fire' approach to crimes like that.

Agree, again the Portuguese failed Maddy massively here.

Since (I hope) we all believe in innocent until proven guilty, it's only one side who are fault here. The best chance for a conviction is to find out what to Maddy, either find her body or her whereabouts. Now that the Portuguese police aren't involved, I'd say the probability of this happening has increased. For once, I'll agree that a private company will prove more effective than a public organisation in this instance ;)
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Hehe :) As for innocent until proven guilty, suspicion doesn't cross that line, which is part of the problem. Innocent until proven guilty is a legal idea, it doesn't follow that it is also a social one, and in fact in this country, it almost certainly isn't when you look at how people are often treated after aquittal or not being charged.

Well, my parents did and I can't see that I was neglected. Back when I was a kid this was the norm, but with the recent hysteria about paedophiles it's becoming less common. It's a shame because I think parent's should be able to enjoy holidays too.
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Parents can enjoy holidays without leaving their children unattended by anyone.

It's also to be remembered that the much vaunted "baby-listening" service was basically to do the same as the McCann's and the Tapas 7 did, only with a stranger listening at the door, not going in and checking they're ok - obviously Mark Warner holidays thought this wasn't neglect either.
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And I'd still disagree with the idea.

scorza said:
No, the kid would still be there if whoever abducted her hadn't have done so.
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If the McCann's hadn't created the window of opportunity, it wouldn't have been so easy for whoever did it. you can argue it should have been ok, but it's like arguing that you should be able to leave your front door open while you go to work and not be burgled, technically true but totally contrary to common sense.
 
Slinwagh said:
Can you point me to the evidence that says she was abducted please?
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DNA in the boot of a car the mcanns rented? ;) abducted by no one but themselves.

theyve certainly had a nice haul out of this one more charitable donations than any suposed victims of a child snatcher ever aswell as the use of a private jet to go on holiday looking for madeline where ever they felt like tanning
 
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arknor said:
DNA in the boot of a car the mcanns rented? ;) abducted by no one but themselves.

theyve certainly had a nice haul out of this one more charitable donations than any suposed victims of a child snatcher ever aswell as the use of a private jet to go on holiday looking for madeline where ever they felt like tanning
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Is this tongue in cheek, or are you really that stupid?

Alas, I suspect the latter.
 
scorza said:
No, the kid would still be there if whoever abducted her hadn't have done so.
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So she would still have been abducted had the parents put being with their children above going to the Tapas bar?

But it's ok, merlin met her and she was nice, so it's all ok and Maddy is back safe and sound.
 
[TW]Fox;12223542 said:
So she would still have been abducted had the parents put being with their children above going to the Tapas bar?
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Who knows, it's not impossible for her to have been abducted if the parents were still in the apartment. Unless you believe that parents should be watching their kids 100% of the time.
 
[TW]Fox;12223542 said:
But it's ok, merlin met her and she was nice, so it's all ok and Maddy is back safe and sound.
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Not sure what the point of that comment is? I doubt even you know.

In fact - I agree wholeheartedly that they made a grave mistake leaving the children alone. They've certainly paid the ultimate price.

However, I do think that allegations in this thread that the McCann's murdered their own little girl are frankly ludicrous.
 
scorza said:
Who knows, it's not impossible for her to have been abducted if the parents were still in the apartment. Unless you believe that parents should be watching their kids 100% of the time.
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If someone had their eye on Madeleine in particular, then probably they were going to get her at some point come what may.
 
merlin said:
A child was taken from the bath in the UK a year or two ago with the mother in another room for a few moments.
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which is why someone invented door chains.
someone trys to gain entry the chain stops the door and you are aware of the attempt.

most people take a lot more precautions regarding the safety of there children/family than the majority of the people who have there kids snatched in a way which could have been prevented.

the mcanns were just a shining example of stupidity and self indulgence

you dont ever leave your kids alone out of your sight unless you know for a fact its safe.
door safety chains were invented for a reason and so were locks and lets not forget wireless baby monitors that have a rather long range
 
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