Advice for Eve newbie?

As expected you approached the game at entirely the wrong angle, there are plenty of people in the game who can "lone wolf" it to a degree of success but mission running you will find tedious. did you venture in to pvp, r&d, manufacturing, complex running, trading, 0.0 antics?

There are quite a few role play corps in there aswell who i'd imagine you'd probably get on with, personally i cant see how RP'ing works too well in eve, theres too much going on around you to do all that stuff. Perhaps its broken from your perspective but a whole lot of people will disagree with you completely.

Your reference to mass effect again proves my point, if you want to do 'your own thing' go play a single player game instead of bashing a game that was designed around player interaction, there is now nearly nothing in eve that is npc produced compared to what players make and trade. In mass effect wheres the cooperation with other people, the rivalry with others? Without either of them games, imo, are pretty boring ;)
 
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As expected you approached the game at entirely the wrong angle, there are plenty of people in the game who can "lone wolf" it to a degree of success but mission running you will find tedious. did you venture in to pvp, r&d, manufacturing, complex running, trading, 0.0 antics?

There are quite a few role play corps in there aswell who i'd imagine you'd probably get on with, personally i cant see how RP'ing works too well in eve, theres too much going on around you to do all that stuff. Perhaps its broken from your perspective but a whole lot of people will disagree with you completely.

Your reference to mass effect again proves my point, if you want to do 'your own thing' go play a single player game instead of bashing a game that was designed around player interaction, there is now nearly nothing in eve that is npc produced compared to what players make and trade. In mass effect wheres the cooperation with other people, the rivalry with others? Without either of them games, imo, are pretty boring ;)
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I guess we will have to agree to dissagree. Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing ME to EVE as they are two very different creatures but ME is still immensely entertaining due to a fantastic storyline.

When I say broken I refer to the market structure and the manner in which commodities are manufactured and then sold on. The market has been stagnating for a very long time. As an example if you were to make money in trading you have to go from High sec to Lo sec to really make a profit then having to run the gauntlet of the border pirates who sit at the .5/.4 gates waiting for freighters and noobs to come steaming through. The market in high sec is just this flabby mass of over inflated stock. If you really want to make money then you Mine then Manufacture high ticket items like the large rail guns or beam weapons and catch the noobs that have come into money recently and mistakenly thought that 7mil EXP will carry them in their brand spanking new Megathron or Raven and want to outfit it with the biggest guns they can find.

I personally think that the game has lost it's balance and that it is not developing or evolving at all. It's a nice little cash cow for CCP and really they haven't done all that much since it was put online in the way of expanding it.

Research and Development does my head in as does the manufacturing thing - it's just so reliant on being part of a corp and having people who are bored enough to leave their computers on 24/7 whilst their mining barges tick away for hours at a time filling a hold full of ore. I really struggle with the attraction - especially when I could make more money from salvaging over a shorter period of time.

I dunno I guess that if a social occasion whilst you watch your drones hack away at an asteroid and point and click combat is what your after then all the power to you but I still think that the games intention of making your own way in the EVE universe has taken second place to the social networking and my ships bigger than your ship attitude that seems to prevail.

You can see from the fact that there is a backstory and factions and different technologies that there was supposed to be some RP historical depth to the game but it's not there. What difference does it make what ship you have or what faction you belong to? Fundamentally the entire gameplay experience is stagnant and immobile. Where is the discovery? Where is the mystery? Why do you go through the whole character generation process if you're only going to play it as yourself?

The EVE-Online site suggests this about the game:

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However, the level at which each player decides to participate is a matter of personal choice. The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo playing aspects. For those who opt to do so, becoming the best lone-wolf pirate or bounty hunter is a never-ending task as the competitors are other human players who will employ every method at their disposal to gain an edge over the rest. Solo players are also able to hire out their services as mercenaries or hit men to other players or player-run corporations.

The bottom line is that we at CCP have strived to create a rich and immersive universe centered on human interaction. Players can play the game as a simple space trading game or endeavor to control the largest, most powerful company in the universe. We provide the rules and tools, but it is the players themselves who create the adventures.
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This simply is no longer the case - when it first started for sure but now - I maintain that the game is broken.
 
To the OP,

If you want a good laugh, search for a corp called Darkness Inc (DKI) that was based out of Sobaseki. 4 years playing Eve with 2 accounts and never had so much fun.

Or if you want to learn the game I would suggest you look at the Ocuk corp, have a station in Isinokka if I remember correctly.

Personally, make 2 characters, a join both corps. Use Darkness Inc (Pirate corp) to have a laugh in and ocuk to learn the mechanics of the game!
 
To the OP

As a 3.5 year EVE player I'll suggest the following tips:

EVE is a marathon not a sprint. It can be daunting to new players because of the levels of complexity within the game. Look at learning one thing at a time e.g. Mining, missions, trading, PVP etc.

The two week trial is no where near long enough to truly get to grips with EVE but should certainly be enough time to see if you want to stick with it a while.

Getting into a good corp can make or break your EVE experience IMO. It is quite possible to play solo but ultimately really boring. Much more fun mining or doing missions with a few corp mates while chatting on Vent/TS/EVE voice. The recruitment threads are full of good corps many of whom will happily take new players. You can always change corps if your not happy.

Download and install EVEMON and EFT (EVE fitting tool) both are third party but incredibly helpful in both planning your characters development and also in seeing how to fit ships.

Ignore learning skills in your two week trial and get in a Frigate and have fun. If you subscribe then learning skills all the way for a while.

Low sec space (0.4-0.1) is dangerous but don't let that stop you from going there. Contrary to popular belief there are not large gangs of pirates on every system gate waiting for you. 0.0 is also dangerous but there are large areas of it that tend to be quiet.

EVE can seem are harsh place. Players will kill you for no reason, scam you, try and grief you sometimes. But there are also lots of players who will help you. There is lots of useful information on the EVE forums to read and many guides written by players on various aspects of the game.

In 3.5 years I've yet to find a more stimulating and exciting gaming environment. Send me a PM with your character name and I'll send you some isk to help you get started.
 
I have just started playing & I love it & not having to be there to learn skills is great.
I play in a window on my 30" so that I can get on with what i was doing before I started playing eve.

It is indeed daunting at first but that soon settles down as you start to get your head around its massive scale & complexity & then you realize that the sort of thing you can do in EVE beside the actual being in space is no different from what happens & what can happen in real live & you know what that's like & that logic it makes it easier to work out how to go about things.

Your actions in this game can have far reaching consequences like no other game that i have played, so it can be as boring & safe or exciting & dangerous as you like & face the consequences.

I tend to do a bit of everything & also help out new players like my self who find it hard to cope with some mission alone as they have bitten off more than they can chew with the with a poorly equipped ship they started out on with out and enhancements/upgrades on them so i take my condor along to help out & hope I don't get hammed.

Ingame Name Final8ty
 
marl said:
I'm on holiday for 2 weeks from Friday and thinking of giving Eve a trial.

Anyone give me some pointers as i've never played it before or any other MMORPG for that matter.
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I think EVE has had its day.

The redeeming factor was player alliances and pvp wars, but it's just stupid capital megablobs now with lag so bad you can make a cup of tea before the server reacts to a command. When EVE boasts about majestic large scale battles, take it with a pinch of salt because it's more like sitting at a black screen for an hour while the servers struggle to cope.

There's also one alliance now so rich (Band of Brothers), they are destroying the game in 0.0 (non policed zones) through sheer numbers of supercapital ships most players couldn't even afford after five years of grinding.
 
@Echo & spacedskunk

I didn't see the OP asking whether people thought the game was good or not or if he should give it ago.
He asked for tips & help & you 2 gave nothing at all. :rolleyes:
And seeing at the game is an acquired taste like Marmite you could not possibly know if he would like it or not unless you know him in person & try to discourage him purely based on what you like.
 
1 good tip as I'm guessing that your going to do some mining at some point is to jettison your cargo once your full & carry-on mining as it save time with the travelling then once you had enough go back & get the cargoes one by one which is still faster over all than the normal why of going & getting full then going back each time, but you got to hope no one steals them, if they do you will be warned about it & you are then free to go & destroy them so its better to do that in less crowded place plus they container will only survive for an hour in space.
 
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Final8y said:
@Echo & spacedskunk

I didn't see the OP asking whether people thought the game was good or not or if he should give it ago.
He asked for tips & help & you 2 gave nothing at all. :rolleyes:
And seeing at the game is an acquired taste like Marmite you could not possibly know if he would like it or not unless you know him in person & try to discourage him purely based on what you like.
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It was a tip...
 
spacedskunk said:
I said, eve is a bad game...(this is something all my mates agreed on, and they still play), and to get around it you need to make it fun.
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Making it fun part is a given of any game or it would not be a game.
I think its a great game so there goes your theory of what you and your mates think should go for others that you don't know.
 
Final8y said:
Making it fun part is a given of any game or it would not be a game.
I think its a great game so there goes your theory of what you and your mates think should go for others that you don't know.
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Eve doesnt tell you what to do, eve doesnt give you objectives. YOU have to choose. Making it fun is not part of any game, I can play TF2, it gives the goals right there and then, I dont have to make it fun, its already fun playing it by its rules. I can play live for speed, I dont need to make that fun, I go around a circuit in a car, if I dont like it I dont like it I dont like it, there still isnt much room to make live for speed fun if I didnt like circuit racing.

The grinding that comes with most...if not all (I haven't played one yet that involved grinding of some kind) MMORPGs make them bad games...the gameplay tends to be bad because...well its constrained to being an MMORPG...you have to make it fun and set yourself goals, AKA sandbox.
 
spacedskunk said:
Eve doesnt tell you what to do, eve doesnt give you objectives. YOU have to choose. Making it fun is not part of any game, I can play TF2, it gives the goals right there and then, I dont have to make it fun, its already fun playing it by its rules. I can play live for speed, I dont need to make that fun, I go around a circuit in a car, if I dont like it I dont like it I dont like it, there still isnt much room to make live for speed fun if I didnt like circuit racing.

The grinding that comes with most...if not all (I haven't played one yet that involved grinding of some kind) MMORPGs make them bad games...the gameplay tends to be bad because...well its constrained to being an MMORPG...you have to make it fun and set yourself goals, AKA sandbox.
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Funny as the first thing EVE does is give you objectives=Missions
Oh you skipped the tutorial & didnt know about Agents to work for i take it.
Or get straight into a Corporation to give you objectives, leaning skill to do what you want are objectives & basically allot of EVE Objectives are the real life like Greed, Make Money,Manufacture,Steal,Trade,Kill,scam,hustle & the sky's the limit or is that space..Oh & pilot some space ships.

Grinding is part of life, its called work & you don't have to much grinding if you work for the right Corporation & become a bounty hunter, mercenary, pirate .
TF2! don't make me laugh with that comparison with its Objectives, you just got far less Objectives to deal with in a very limited fashion in a short time scale which just kill.

From what you have just posted its not that its a bad game its just not your sort of game & your personal opinions are not facts.
Just like some people don't find hardcore simulations fun, that does not make simulations bad & not fun for others.

I don't like RTG but i have never thought or said that type of game is bad as we all have varying tastes & no one will like everything.
 
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Final8y said:
Funny as the first thing EVE does is give you objectives=Missions

TF2! don't make me laugh with that comparison with its Objectives, you just got far less Objectives to deal with in a very limited fashion in a short time scale which just kill.
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You arent getting the point and your deflecting my main argument about gameplay; TF2 is great fun but you don't have to TRY to have fun on it. You have to TRY to have fun on Eve, thats what sandbox games are all about mate.

Missions are boring, npcing is boring, mining is boring, exploration is boring etc...I am pretty much sure thats fact, I have never heard someone say its fun doing any of these tedious tasks apart from the sense of achievement in certain fields. I played eve for almost 3 years mate, the only thing that appealed to me as fun was PvP from the beginning, which is the main part of the game...or at least main marketed part of the game. I had fun, but having said that we made it fun by setting out goals that involved stupidity and having a laugh.

Without that motivation to get out and make Eve fun, Eve is a bad game, and it is why I quit because I lost that lust for goals and I also lost the most unique part to the game...the adrenaline rush from pvp.

Marl, you want Eve to work for you, I suggest you find some cool people to play it with.
 
spacedskunk said:
You arent getting the point and your deflecting my main argument about gameplay; TF2 is great fun but you don't have to TRY to have fun on it. You have to TRY to have fun on Eve, thats what sandbox games are all about mate.

Missions are boring, npcing is boring, mining is boring, exploration is boring etc...I am pretty much sure thats fact, I have never heard someone say its fun doing any of these tedious tasks apart from the sense of achievement in certain fields. I played eve for almost 3 years mate, the only thing that appealed to me as fun was PvP from the beginning, which is the main part of the game...or at least main marketed part of the game. I had fun, but having said that we made it fun by setting out goals that involved stupidity and having a laugh.

Without that motivation to get out and make Eve fun, Eve is a bad game, and it is why I quit because I lost that lust for goals and I also lost the most unique part to the game...the adrenaline rush from pvp.

Marl, you want Eve to work for you, I suggest you find some cool people to play it with.
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What you find exciting others can find boring.
What you find Boring other find exciting thats FACT

npcing is no different to singleplayer gaming with which many find fun.
PVP is there from the start as well because its PVP+NPC at the beginning even in 9.0 space & i was working with others on my first day.
mining , exploration is boring for you, it does not make that fact for everyone else & you dont have to do that all the time, its up to you.
As i said before you like a certain type of game play that EVE does not offer YOU but offers other great fun...so try not to be so narrow minded in what others may like & what constitutes fun to them.

EVE is what you make it, Life is what you make it.. you can make it boring in both.
Any game played long enough can become boring depending on the persons preference.

I have the Orange box & i have played TF2 once..what if i told you that's because i find it boring...opps your theory about what is fun for all is gone again, but that would be a fib eccept for the only playing once part which is true as my gaming tastes are wide but i can tell you which may surprise you that some people do find TF2 boring & that will go for any game.

It seems like you think your the authority on what a fun game is..sorry your not.
 
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Final8y said:
What you find exciting others can find boring.
What you find Boring other find exciting thats FACT

npcing is no different to singleplayer gaming with which many find fun.
PVP is there from the start as well because its PVP+NPC at the beginning even in 9.0 space & i was working with others on my first day.
mining , exploration is boring for you, it does not make that fact for everyone else & you dont have to do that all the time, its up to you.
As i said before you like a certain type of game play that EVE does not offer YOU but offers other great fun...so try not to be so narrow minded in what others may like & what constitutes fun to them.

EVE is what you make it, Life is what you make it.. you can make it boring in both.
Any game played long enough can become boring depending on the persons preference.

I have the Orange box & i have played TF2 once..what if i told you that's because i find it boring...opps your theory about what is fun for all is gone again, but that would be a fib eccept for the only playing once part which is true as my gaming tastes are wide but i can tell you which may surprise you that some people do find TF2 boring & that will go for any game.

It seems like you think your the authority on what a fun game is..sorry your not.
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You are still misunderstanding my point about TF2...I am not going to repeat myself...again.

Fun; activities that are enjoyable or amusing. Would you class NPCing or missioning under this, at all? Can you imagine anyone saying they are fun? By saying fact I am simply emphasizing a point. I know all people think differently, and enjoy other things, I am not a fool; I just can't get it into my head that someone will find these fun.

And in 2 replies you've related Eve to life. Its a scary thought...to me anyway. The OP has asked for advice because he's starting the trial on his 2 week holiday from work, Eve throws you back into work :p, I find quite ironic.

If you sat there now, on your monstrously racked up up playing time on eve, and it starting telling you the objectives...giving you a linear passage through the game; you would get bored. Hence my theory (dumbed it down from fact!), you have to make it fun. Leave it at that.

PS
marl, you will get 21-days trial when get it from Steam.
 
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