Anti-vaccination for UK children petition

magick said:
It's not sick. Vaccinations have been known to undesirable side-effects. Why do you think so many parents don't allow there children to have the MMR vaccine.
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To quote from Men in Black, because they do actually have a point...

Kay said:
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
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Some Doctor goes on record saying MMR causes Autism and the populace goes on red alert - OMGWTF - Little Johnny mustn't have the MMR because he'll DIE. The same people probably avoid eggs because they consider them to be salmonella-laden killing machines. If we believed all the scare-stories spewed forth by various parties we'd probably never eat and never go out. Then of course, we'd all die at home from starvation.

Now of course, we know that the evidence for the MMR/Autism link is shaky at best, and the Doctor at the centre of it all has been struck off for misconduct. However, none of that matters because little Johnny is going to DIE.

Personally, I think this, if it ever became more than one man's crusade, would be misguided. There probably are cases where specific vaccines should be avoided - as is the case with the Flu jab, for example. As for signing, however, no, sorry, I will not pander to the paranoid.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Medical reasons aside, I find it insulting that if I were to have children, I would be without the choice to decide what medication *MY* child is to receive.
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you do have the choice. you just wont get benefits and you wont have the choice to infect other kids at school
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Ergo.. no choice.
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why should un-vaccinated kids be allowed into a state school?
I usually hate the goverment doing stuff, but it is there to protect the mass and this is a very good idea. The benefits is a bit far. But there is a choice, you just don't like the choice.
 
xen_ said:
And why is that then?
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Some vaccines (e.g. TB) don't give 100% immunity. The way it was explained to me for my TB jab was that it'll stop me getting it from e.g being next to a carrier in a queue, but not from close physical contact with a carrier e.g. kids at school playing together, wrestling etc all day.

I'm not an expert in these matters but perhaps its the same for other jabs.
 
AcidHell2 said:
why would any sensiable person sign that.
It's absolutely stupid.
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Exactly. I have the annual flu vaccine because of my chronic asthma. If I get the flu (not Man Flu) I stand a increased chance of dying. So far I have had no "evil pharmaceutical industry induced" side effects.

If I had a young kid they'd get every bloody vaccine going, especially as there is a chance they'd end up with my dodgy DNA and thus be prone to illness.

It is not a conspiracy, nor a breach of human rights and in my opinion anybody who signs that petition is an idiot.
 
Also there will be kids who are allergic and can not have immunization. These kids are protected by the sheer number of vaccinated people. But this has been serverly eroded in the last few years and we have seen outbreaks.
 
Well when it was time for my kids to have the MMR I made sure they had it.
Until I see some hard proof that MMR causes Autism I will never believe these claims.
 
It's quite simple really, we can be 99% sure that if the government stopped making people vaccinate their children then vaccination rates will fall due to people being lazy and/or believing the scare stories in the papers regards the small number of people who have reactions to the vaccine. We know that if the vaccination rate drops then the number of very serious diseases/infections are going to rise and become an epidemic.

If you want to help cause people to be very sick/disabled then sign the petition.
 
Berserker said:
Why not? It is possible to find alternatives to benefits and it is possible to educate a child without sending them to state school? (granted this option isn't easy or cheap)
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What about the choice for state education, but not vaccinations?

This is a discriminatory law. I might not want my child to have the vaccinations, so I and my child would be discriminated against because of this. I'd quite like to reserve the right to make the choice, ta very much.
 
A Labour MP has recently suggested forcing all children to be vaccinated otherwise they cannot attend school and parents should not receive child benefits. Vaccinations can cause various injuries to children and also manipulate only specific parts of the immune system and not necessarily all the appropriate parts.
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i dont like governments at all in certain areas, but TBH this is a really good idea and im all for it.

Just feel sorry for the scientists who have to put up with idiots telling them rubbish about the vaccinations. And Forcing wouldnt work out but the whole not being allowed into school is a good idea.

Dj_Jestar said:
What about the choice for state education, but not vaccinations?

This is a discriminatory law. I might not want my child to have the vaccinations, so I and my child would be discriminated against because of this. I'd quite like to reserve the right to make the choice, ta very much.
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just shows how people are ****, why would you call this discrimination? its as simple as no ticket = get the hell of the bus.. but it IS a violation of health and safety IMO and should not be put up with
 
Dj_Jestar said:
What about the choice for state education, but not vaccinations?

This is a discriminatory law. I might not want my child to have the vaccinations, so I and my child would be discriminated against because of this. I'd quite like to reserve the right to make the choice, ta very much.
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And the rest want the right to ensure against dangerous diseases.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
What about the choice for state education, but not vaccinations?

This is a discriminatory law. I might not want my child to have the vaccinations, so I and my child would be discriminated against because of this. I'd quite like to reserve the right to make the choice, ta very much.
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The reason we need the government to make discriminatory laws is because of parents not following sound medical advice. If everyone put their childrens best interests at heart they'd all be vaccinated and the government would never have had to get involved.

You talk about the rights of your choice not to protect your children, what about the rights of the other children not to be put at increased risk? If the choice you made as a parent only affected your own children then it might be a different matter, but it affects everyone.
 
platinum87 said:
i dont like governments at all in certain areas, but TBH this is a really good idea and im all for it.

Just feel sorry for the scientists who have to put up with idiots telling them rubbish about the vaccinations. And Forcing wouldnt work out but the whole not being allowed into school is a good idea.



just shows how people are ****, why would you call this discrimination? its as simple as no ticket = get the hell of the bus.. but it IS a violation of health and safety IMO and should not be put up with
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Hmm.. blindly following like a sheep, vs wanting the right to make a choice for my children. Also see directly relating "the want to reserve a right to make a choice" with "must want to not have vaccines"

And explain how is it not discrimination? If my children were not to have the state vaccines, but have alternative medication to the same level, why should they not be allowed state education?
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Which they can do just fine by having the vaccination. If these vaccinations are what they claim to be, the others would have no problem at all.
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Some people are allergic, the reason they are protected is due to the sheer number of vaccinated people. So if people stop getting vaccinated which is what has happened they are put at risk. We have allready seen increased numbers of infections.

There is no medical reason why people shouldn't get these other than being allergic.
 
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