Only thing I'll agree with is the reference to the drivers. So far, I'm not impressed. (This is my first ATi card). I used to be really jealous of the monthly ATi releases and sometimes got annoyed at the just endles Nvidia beta releases. However, now I've jumped ship I'm not that impressed. Really hoping the next release is a good one as this card deserves it!
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The GTX 260 is faster than 4870
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Good luck with getting the GTX260 to beat a 4870 which uses shader based AA. 4870 even comes very close to 280 performance I would say within 10% (except for Crysis & FSX) you can easily overclock all 4870s as the DDR5 ram is rated for 4.4Ghz vs 3.6Ghz stock speed or push it even further using a custom bios.
This gives you:
4870 (4.4ghz) Memory Bandwidth: 140.5GB/sec
vs
GTX280 Memory Bandwidth: 141.7GB/sec
A handful? you call all the people moaning about it in the AMD forum a handful? ...you seen how long the thread is? and it's not the only one.
How about using google aswell to see how big it is. I'm not saying it's massive, chances are if you got a 4870 you wont have it, but quite a percentage of ATI users have this, and that cant be ignored.
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Mine ones faster because mine ones a red one, nah mine is its got stripes see, yeh but mines got bigger stripes, and it go's on lmao.
^the nvlddmkm problem is just as significant and has been ignored for just as long though.
I hear people whining about drivers on both sides, but perhaps I am just lucky...I've not ever had trouble with ANY official driver releases either from nvidia or ati, even Creative when I had my x-fi....even when I was on the Vista pre-rc beta
I hear people whining about drivers on both sides, but perhaps I am just lucky...I've not ever had trouble with ANY official driver releases either from nvidia or ati, even Creative when I had my x-fi....even when I was on the Vista pre-rc beta
Usual ATI drivers issues are caused by not having the correct .net package installed. Very easy to fix but TBH as you use 2560x1600 then you would be better with a card with more Vram as the std 4850/4870 are designed for no higher than 1920x1200. 4870X2 has just been proved to be the new king at ultra hig res so the ATI tech is not that bad
Personally I have installed several recent ATI drivers on my 3 Vista partitions & 1 XP partition and all work perfectly with no issues whatsoever.
I made a thread about the nvlddmkm error and it kept popping up every so often with people having the problem so its one thats there often.
This confuses me.
More likely the 4870X2 will not be at its best on first release with its first drivers right.., you should have waited and kept the 4870 and tried the new drivers when they are released, the 4870X2 is 2 4870's stuck together, I rekon you'll be flogging it.
This confuses me.
More likely the 4870X2 will not be at its best on first release with its first drivers right.., you should have waited and kept the 4870 and tried the new drivers when they are released, the 4870X2 is 2 4870's stuck together, I rekon you'll be flogging it.
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3D Mark 06 is very CPU limited and is pretty much redundant. Vantage is now biased towards Nvidia.Crysis is again Nvidia biased and for what ever reason pretty slow with any card.
Your benchmarks are flawed.
What about benching a few decent games?
For the record I have had zero issues with my 4870. Rock solid performance and totally stable.
Running your Q9450 @ 3.8 could be your problem mate?
Your benchmarks are flawed.
What about benching a few decent games?
For the record I have had zero issues with my 4870. Rock solid performance and totally stable.
Running your Q9450 @ 3.8 could be your problem mate?
Man in ATIKMDAG-horror-posting-so-switches-and-is-just-lucky-not-to-get-NVLDDMKM-horror-which-is-equally-rampant-and-just-as-annoying shock headlines!
Please, stop the press...
On a side note, your thread title is extremely misleading looking at exactly what you benched.
On another side note, I agree both problems have been around way too long and neither side has any excuse for the length of time it is taking to fix.
Please, stop the press...
On a side note, your thread title is extremely misleading looking at exactly what you benched.
On another side note, I agree both problems have been around way too long and neither side has any excuse for the length of time it is taking to fix.
, even rated it 
Man in ATIKMDAG-horror-posting-so-switches-and-is-just-lucky-not-to-get-NVLDDMKM-horror-which-is-equally-rampant-and-just-as-annoying shock headlines!
Please, stop the press...
On a side note, your thread title is extremely misleading looking at exactly what you benched.
On another side note, I agree both problems have been around way too long and neither side has any excuse for the length of time it is taking to fix.
You're so wrong, i had random hiccups using Nvidia too, never blue screen of death but the whole "display driver stopped responding" fault happened randomly for a while. This is systematic crashes after gaming for a while, playing DVD's, heck sitting idly at the desktop - happening for a big part of users using the exact same hardware/software combo, that's not a random fault, so don't make it sound like one.
Having said that i still think the 4870 is a fantastic piece of hardware.
It's not, i've tried system at stock too, but it's Prime95 and memtest 100% stable @ 3.8GHz CPU / 1138MHz RAM. Plus a 8800GTX, 9800GX2, 8500GT, GTX 280 and GTX 260 are all fine on the same system. And as i keep pointing out... many people have this exact same problem.
I agree i still need to do more benches, working on that now...
Whats the bet the vista install was done whilst the system was overclocked......
Probably the quickest way to create some errors...
I do agree more benchmards need to be done to get anywhere with this thread (new games?)
I also think that these problems are more isolated cases with those few(er) people all talking about it in some places (like the amd forums) making it appear a bigger and more wide spread problem than it is.....
Probably the quickest way to create some errors...
I do agree more benchmards need to be done to get anywhere with this thread (new games?)
I also think that these problems are more isolated cases with those few(er) people all talking about it in some places (like the amd forums) making it appear a bigger and more wide spread problem than it is.....
Nothing wrong with installing Vista whilst the system is overclocked, providing its stable, with my E6600 I should install at stock as it BSOD's about 10 seconds into Intel TAT yet can be fine for 8 hours+ on Orthos and playing a game at the same time.
Vista install won't create any errors unless you overclocked your system in some stupid way, it won't load the system even close to as hard as an SSE-heavy application, and it definitely won't have trouble with a stable-tested system.
Well of course it is, there aren't a lot of people using dualscreens with a 4870 under vista 64-bit, that doesn't make it less of a problem.
Is there a GRID benchmark i can use, or any for those other games?? What do reviewers use for it?
Although i'm almost positive GIRD will favour ATI, it gets very good frame rates on the 4850/70.
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In my experience most BSOD'S on overclocked systems are due to overclocking.
Prime stable with 45 tech doesn't mean squat to be honest. I have ran 10 Hour small primes on 45nm and then have them BSOD at idle. LLC is usually the culprit.