Why can't parents discipline their kids by means of a slap?

My area is a little rough, not very, and admittedly i live in a nice part of that area, but you do get some kids who think they're big with knives etc. And as the news tells us, they end up getting hurt or worse when they start messin with things like that, they need to know about pain and whats wrong when theyre young so it makes a lasting impression.

As for spoiling kids, I don't think it always makes them smack-worthy, but it makes them ******* annoying and makes me want to smack them haha.
 
Tombo said:
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Nope, you are soft!

Clearly its not right to abuse children, but you must be allowed to slap/whatever is needed, to instill some discipline.

Some kids would fall into line with an Alex Ferguson Hair Dryer, and other would laugh in their parents face.

Those kids need a good smacking to bring them round.

Its not cruel, its common sense, which seems to be disappearing fast in this sickening Nanny state.

/rant over
 
hypochondriac said:
My area is a little rough, not very, and admittedly i live in a nice part of that area, but you do get some kids who think they're big with knives etc. And as the news tells us, they end up getting hurt or worse when they start messin with things like that, they need to know about pain and whats wrong when theyre young so it makes a lasting impression.
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You have to wonder if that works in practice though? In my own experience, and you might not agree, I've found that people are shaped entirely by their environment and often give to others what they were given when they were younger e.g. kids that were sexually abused often grow up to sexually abuse others. They don't in all cases say "I was raped as a child, so I could never do that to someone else." Instead it just messes them up, they feel the need to let others experience their pain and it distorts their sense of right and wrong.

Not saying that this applies to all people by the way - just that it often happens.
 
fluffmct said:
You have to wonder if that works in practice though? In my own experience, and you might not agree, I've found that people are shaped entirely by their environment and often give to others what they were given when they were younger e.g. kids that were sexually abused often grow up to sexually abuse others. They don't in all cases say "I was raped as a child, so I could never do that to someone else." Instead it just messes them up, they feel the need to let others experience their pain and it distorts their sense of right and wrong.

Not saying that this applies to all people by the way - just that it often happens.
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physically disciplining a child by your reconing would then mean they would do the same to their kids, not mindlessly beat, as there is a reason behind the physical punishment.

Tbh one of the reasons theres bad ropey kids running around who did get beaten off their parents badly is because in turn the parents were brought up badly.
Just a bad case of parenting throughout the generations
 
fluffmct said:
You have to wonder if that works in practice though? In my own experience, and you might not agree, I've found that people are shaped entirely by their environment and often give to others what they were given when they were younger e.g. kids that were sexually abused often grow up to sexually abuse others. They don't in all cases say "I was raped as a child, so I could never do that to someone else." Instead it just messes them up, they feel the need to let others experience their pain and it distorts their sense of right and wrong.
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So you agree with what I replied to your previous post? I assume so as you've yet to reply to it unlike others.

Disciplining (if done correctly) cant be compared with abuse.
 
2Thumbs said:
So you agree with what I replied to your previous post? I assume so as you've yet to reply to it unlike others.

Disciplining (if done correctly) cant be compared with abuse.
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To be honest mate I didn't quite get your last post. Physical discipline has no place in civilised society.

Even if it is done correctly (I'm interpreting this as when they've done something wrong), young children will still see it as alright to hit others - "Well that kid took my lolly so I'll hit him cause he was wrong to do that." So then when they get to 16, do we tell them to stop hitting people now because it's only allowed to happen to kids?
 
On a serious note...

I was beaten pretty heavily as I was a right naughty little git. It was only when I finally grew up and started to understand how my actions affected everyone else around me that it stopped because I wasn't just doing as I pleased no matter how many times I was told.

I've turned out pretty fine in most respects.

My little brother on the other hand is a chav, and a right asswipe. He got away with murder and constantly steals stuff off me and goes mental and violent whenever there is a slight disagreement in the househould. It's impossible to teach him otherwise now as he's too old to phyiscally punish and too damn socially retarded to converse with.
 
fluffmct said:
To be honest mate I didn't quite get your last post. Physical discipline has no place in civilised society.

Even if it is done correctly (I'm interpreting this as when they've done something wrong), young children will still see it as alright to hit others - "Well that kid took my lolly so I'll hit him cause he was wrong to do that." So then when they get to 16, do we tell them to stop hitting people now because it's only allowed to happen to kids?
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I can't remember hitting other kids when I was young as I knew I shouldn't. :rolleyes: Seem to be taking big leaps in the generalisation game.

I knew that if I did something bad in school etc and my dad found out I'd be walking with a limp for a few hours, or atleast a big headache from him shouting!

Correctly = a parent knowing when not to and when to give their kid a quick smack. Some actions/situations wont require it, just a good talking to where as others would.

Ofcourse that's down to the choice of the parent.
 
2Thumbs said:
or atleast a big headache from him shouting!
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Verbal punishment hasn't really beed discussed at length yet. When I was little and I did something wrong (although not bad enough to provoke a smack) my dad used to shout "you bad'n!" and i've no idea why, but it used to scare the crap out of me and I'd burst into tears, quite funny looking back seen as bad'n isn't even a word.
 
I have nothing against slapping, but the problem is it takes a great deal of self discipline and control from the parent to slap properly. If you have any anger issues or can't control your temper, a small slap can quickly become a punch and eventually lead to abuse. Slapping should always be a last resort though.
 
sorry guys but each will have there own opinion and those with kids will know where they draw the line.who cares what anybody else thinks. if i want to slap my kids i will if i dont i wont.

i couldnt give a monkeys what anybody else thinks or does even if it means for example going to jail etc. ill do what i think is right for the benefit of my kids and nobody will tell me any different.
 
if the child behaves it would not need a smack round the head.

Ona serious note, a 2year old trys putting its hand in the fire in the living room, surely a slap on the hand and say 'no' will stop it doing it again? Same goes for a messing about with a plug socket etc
 
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