I believe there's little doubt about life elsewhere in the universe. I think it gets a bit iffy when you start talking about intelligent life that can travel space. Just think how long earth has been supporting life then think how long it has been since we've managed to develop technology to just get into space, let alone properly explore it.
The Case Against ETs visiting Earth
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Actually the chances are smaller than miniscule.
The creation of life on this planet was an accident with millions of different factors happening all in the right order.
The chances of humanoid intelligent life with the capabilities of reaching us is none.
You don't need evidence of god, it works on a belief system. I'm happy for someone to believe in aliens. Both cases have no proof of their existence.
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I think there is life out there just by the sheer numbers involved. If they're advanced enough such that they have mastered interstellar travel, then they'd probably have one look at us, lol a bit, make a flash game, then leave.
WHY do people always use that sign ? Please keep it to religious debate threads !!
People that dismiss it instantly are forgetting the mathematical chances of ET visiting are astronomically high
And yet in another thread we have a reasonable % of people thinking a guy with a fluffy beard exists and sits on clouds
Even grainy video evidence is damn sight more evidence than god etc
So yes I think there is a massive chance ET exists (maths works this out as a greater than 99% probability)
As for visiting earth who knows, but there out there somewhere
No one of any scientifc worth has ever stated that the probability of an ET visiting Earth is high, quite the oposite. What several prominant scientists have said (E.g., Frank Drake), that the probability of intelligent ET life is quite high, given the assumptions made in their equations. Now the problem is the assumptions are quite strong. What is the probability that a planet CAN support life? this is completely unknown. How many solar systems actually have any planets? What are the exact conditions needed for life to start?.
Personally, as a scientist, I beleive ET life does exist in the universe. But the chances of them being capable of visiting extremely slim. Even if they were capable, why would they really wnat to, and if they did want to study us and made it this far then its unlikely we would ever see any evidence oif them unless they purposely want us to acknowledge them whenc we would all know.
As of yet, not one single ET/UFO story has ever been remotely believable, and there are always explanations. Numerous sightings have been confirmed to be military testing etc.
And then there is the whole psychological thing, cultural beleif, the want to beleive. No different to the belief in God.
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Humbug, people saying "Ah seen a yufo" is not evidence. Grainy pictures of dots in the sky is not evidence. Its all crap. Weather balloons and swamp gas.
Not for me Sniffy.
If you think of the sheer rate our technology increases at its scary.
Our solar system is young at only 4.5 billion years old.
Imagine if there was a race that was a million years more advanced...
Its almost impossible to imagine what they would be capable of.
Interuniverse travel providing there are parallel universes.
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I wouldn't go that far. Scientists just don't really know what conditions are need for life to start, doesn't that the probabilities are exceptionally low. The basis of all life can be relatively easily artificially created in a lab. We're just missing a little magic to get the building blocks into an actual life form. No one know what magic...
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Echoes my thoughts exactly. Personally I think it would be naive to think that only Earth has advanced lifeforms. Whether they have actually visited us yet is a different matter altogether.
Planets orbit stars, earth and the sun ring any bells?
That's theory. No one knows for sure and if you believe that to be correct then you may as well also believe in the Bible. I actually find the probability of millions of factors randomly coming together and forming life less believable than a creation.
"Humanoid life"? Who said ETs had to be humanoid? And why would another civilisation outside Earth have zero chance of reaching us?
BTW z0mbi3, you could at least contribute a little more to the thread than that abstract line, "We can't be far away from full disclosure now."
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(Psst, It's an ongoing joke the stems from one of Magicks threds)
Theres a small chance but only a small one because of the distance. If they could travel at the speed of light (which is impossible) chances are that they are so far away that they will have to travel for thousands of years to reach us.
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There has to be life in the universe elsewhere, life of some kind anyway. Its a statistical improbability of there not being any.
Do they visit earth? No i doubt it, have to wonder what the human race would achieve without religion/war/greed though, especially considering how much of a setback the dark ages were to technological advancement.
Do they visit earth? No i doubt it, have to wonder what the human race would achieve without religion/war/greed though, especially considering how much of a setback the dark ages were to technological advancement.
Only if they travel by conventional means, it's rather like someone 200 years ago saying it will take months for a european to reach Australia. They could only ever have come by boat right?
I haven't looked into this much, but anti-mavity technology is being worked on and it would enable travel at close to the speeds of light. The closest stars are about 5 light years away, which means it would take little more than 5 years to go from one star to the other.
http://www.physorg.com/news10789.html
I would be interested to see if anyone knows anything else about this.
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