Don't be so quick to jump to the wrong conclusion. Are you referring to students who transmitted Mozart's 40th Symphony though a barrier? If so then you should know that whilst the experiment is obviously controversial, it is also most likely just an effect of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and not FTL travel.
The Case Against ETs visiting Earth
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Don't be so quick to jump to the wrong conclusion. Are you referring to students who transmitted Mozart's 40th Symphony though a barrier? If so then you should know that whilst the experiment is obviously controversial, it is also most likely just an effect of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and not FTL travel.
This is incorrect. I and others have seen something which wasn't a military craft AND I am not an attention seeking head case... so what was it!
The only way you could know this would be if you were involved with military R&D with several of the worlds major powers (i.e. the ones most likely to be developing new types of aircraft). I suspect you are not so I don't believe you would be qualified to say whether what you saw was or wasn't military.
I'd guess it's more likely the other way around!
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An Oak tree? Bacon Sandwich? Fried egg? Perhaps it was un Unidetified Frying Object?
Of course we have had visitors from outer space, red necks get abducted all the time. There are also ghosts, Fairies, pixies, "The Little People", Loch Ness Monster, Yetties, ***** Lizards and David Icke.
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Just to emphasize the point there are some aspects of the Ufo phenomena that are worthy of serious scientific study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/07/980701082300.htm
Edit: I would imagine also that many of the assumed ufo's are of considerable interest to the military and the authorities. How could they not be- and so on those grounds alone there is a case for serious study-aliens or otherwise.
Edit: I would imagine also that many of the assumed ufo's are of considerable interest to the military and the authorities. How could they not be- and so on those grounds alone there is a case for serious study-aliens or otherwise.
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Back at you, the only way you could know 99% are military is if you were in the same position.
UFOs have been documented with flying ability far exceeding our planes for the last 50 years, why have non of these amazing craft ever been made public domain?
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The same must also apply in reverse then for those that have.
If we were to take litterally what you have said is true, then the vast majority of the population of the UK would be excluded from making any kind of statement about any experience concerning such things. The truth of the matter is people can only legitimately comment on what it is they have had experience of not what they have not.
It's quite ironic really to look at our unsophisticated attempts to place people in orbit, or on the moon or Mars, when there appear to be numerous objects flying around in our atmosphere that dwarf all of these attempts and shatter our current understanding of physics.
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I beleive that there are other life forms out there.
However i am undecided on whether i think they would have the motivation and capability to travel light years and reach us.
It is possible ( I think ), but who knows whether we have been visited, are being visited frequently, or are next on our friendly ET's guest list. Or if they even know we exist.
However i am undecided on whether i think they would have the motivation and capability to travel light years and reach us.
It is possible ( I think ), but who knows whether we have been visited, are being visited frequently, or are next on our friendly ET's guest list. Or if they even know we exist.
My 2p.
I firmly believe that humanity's arrogance that we cannot exceed the speed of light will be shown to be an error. Einstein (and similar genuises) are extraordinarily clever but even Einstein admitted he didn't have all the answers so to blindly think he got everything correct is nonsensical.
I'm also reminded of a scene in Babylon 5 when G'Kar is talking about how the First Ones must regard all the other races (Humans, Minbari etc) in the same way he was regarding an ant walking on the surface of a piece of fruit shipped from Earth. How would we communicate with an ant?
I firmly believe that humanity's arrogance that we cannot exceed the speed of light will be shown to be an error. Einstein (and similar genuises) are extraordinarily clever but even Einstein admitted he didn't have all the answers so to blindly think he got everything correct is nonsensical.
I'm also reminded of a scene in Babylon 5 when G'Kar is talking about how the First Ones must regard all the other races (Humans, Minbari etc) in the same way he was regarding an ant walking on the surface of a piece of fruit shipped from Earth. How would we communicate with an ant?
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Actually I said I thought it was more likely 99% people after attention/head cases given the choice between a military or an attention seeking solution.
Regardless, you were the one saying that it was definitely not military which in order to know you would have to have high level knowledge of the military. I was stating an opinion based on what is more logical, hence no need to have experience in the military just an ability to rationalise.
UFO sightings have been well documented however UFO's (in the extraterrestrial sense) have themselves not been well documented.
It's common knowledge that governments keep their top secret experiments pretty secret. I think their reasons are pretty obvious.
Actually there is a huge amount of research looking for ways faster then light travel might be possible, both theoretical and experimental. No one of consequence is just taking Einstein at his word and not bothering to investigate further.
Yes there is far too much emphasis on viewing aliens through a human viewpoint. If you think about the way we have evolved, and the way we perceive the world through our 5 senses it is really quite limited. There could be species out there able to see and detect things in totally different ways, they may think and perceive the world in a totally different manner and thus have totally different motives to anything we can easily identify with.
Don't you think some of these technologies would have been used for real gain, especially during the cold war. The West could have had complete dominance over the Soviets.....sorry I don't buy it.
You don't have to look far afield to see this if Rupert Sheldrake's ideas of dogs being telepathic are to be believed.
Yes&no. They would just be excluded from saying that it can't possibly be a military craft. But anyone would be perfectly within their rights to say they saw something that moved in a way that was totally different from that of any plane they'd seen before just that they can't dismiss the possibility that what they saw was military etc.
Then when you consider the odds, on the one hand you could think the object was an alien craft that has flown all the way here just to fly around in our sky then disappear again, or you could think that it could be military/natural/mistaken observation.
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I don't believe there has been a single recorded observation that has shattered our current understanding of physics.
What would they have used them to do? Wipe out the Soviets? They already had plenty of military hardware capable of doing that several times over that was public knowledge (as in their existence not the exact technical specification). As you said yourself it was a 'cold war' i.e. no actually fighting on a war like scale, so why would they publicise any of their top secret military craft at this time? They would want as little info in the public domain as possible.
Yes but I believe they are not just saying this because the object is unidentified etc. They are making a judgement in relation to their and our current understanding about the way ordinary observable things work. What then are they and we to think when a story is given that a pyramid shaped object the size of a small house was seen levitating between trees dripping molten metal with a few humanoid type beings floating around it?
(1) Ordinary Joe Bloggs thinks he has gone either insane or he is hallucinating- but there are other witnesses?
(2) It is a complete lie.
(3) It is true.
If you don't believe there has been a single recorded observation of these things shattering our understanding of physics then you haven't looked hard enough imo.
Put the crack pipe down.