The Case Against ETs visiting Earth

[yak.h'cir]

Yes but I believe they are not just saying this because the object is unidentified etc. They are making a judgement in relation to their and our current understanding about the way ordinary observable things work. What then are they and we to think when a story is given that a pyramid shaped object the size of a small house was seen levitating between trees dripping molten metal with a few humanoid type beings floating around it?

(1) Ordinary Joe Bloggs thinks he has gone either insane or he is hallucinating- but there are other witnesses?

(2) It is a complete lie.

(3) It is true.

If you don't believe there has been a single recorded observation of these things shattering our understanding of physics then you haven't looked hard enough imo.

So you're saying that someone has measured verifiable data that would be needed to know that the craft broke our current laws of physics? I think you've been looking too hard!

Also secret option 4) it was a hoax, I've seen several magicians perform acts that appear to defy scientific knowledge but that doesn't mean that i'm jumping around telling everyone that it's totally possible to cut someone in half without harming them.

 

[Dogoid]

Pretty sure the tin foil hats are for stopping aliens stealing your thoughts, not Jesus from entering your brain.
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i think jesus has proved himself to be a master at entering brains, and the aliens could learn a thing or two from him.

 

[yak.h'cir]

i think jesus has proved himself to be a master at entering brains, and the aliens could learn a thing or two from him.

Maybe Jesus was an alien!

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Maybe Jesus was an alien!

Eric Von Danniken is all I will say.
He wrote rubbish too.

 

[ethan]

So you're saying that someone has measured verifiable data that would be needed to know that the craft broke our current laws of physics? I think you've been looking too hard!

Also secret option 4) it was a hoax, I've seen several magicians perform acts that appear to defy scientific knowledge but that doesn't mean that i'm jumping around telling everyone that it's totally possible to cut someone in half without harming them.

The fact of the matter is that you don't have to look too hard at all: a point you conveniently ignore.

Lol you compare a magician's trick by way of analogy with an event that happene'd at one of Britain's nuclear bases with numerous military witnesses who went out to investigate what all the commotion was about?

 

[yak.h'cir]

The fact of the matter is that you don't have to look too hard at all: a point you conveniently ignore.

Lol you compare a magician's trick by way of analogy with an event that happene'd at one of Britain's nuclear bases with numerous military witnesses who went out to investigate what all the commotion was about?

You do have to look hard because it doesn't exist! In order to know that the object violated laws of physics you'd need to have very precise records and measurements of it's velocity and acceleration etc. Nothing like this has ever been published.

So military personal were sent to investigate sightings of a "pyramid shaped object the size of a small house was seen levitating between trees dripping molten metal with a few humanoid type beings floating around it"? Something official on that please!

Are you honesty completely unaware that people have perpetrated alien hoaxs before? I thought this knowledge was pretty common!

 

[ethan]

You do have to look hard because it doesn't exist! In order to know that the object violated laws of physics you'd need to have very precise records and measurements of it's velocity and acceleration etc. Nothing like this has ever been published.

Lol. Let's just ignore the countless radar signalls and speed estimations in relation to g-forces human beings can withstand shall we?

So military personal were sent to investigate sightings of a "pyramid shaped object the size of a small house was seen levitating between trees dripping molten metal with a few humanoid type beings floating around it"? Something official on that please!

Well we only have the deputy base commanders word and experience on this matter. It's so common knowledge I'll let you do a google on that. It being Britains Roswell and all . The incident is only important insofar as it cannot be quite so easily dismissed as secrete military craft. I stand corrected insofar as the object described was not the size of a house.

 

[yak.h'cir]

Lol. Let's just ignore the countless radar signalls and speed estimations in relation to g-forces human being can withstand shall we.

Firstly a craft experiencing g-forces in excess of what the human body can stand doesn't come close to showing that laws of physics are anywhere close to being broken. Secondly it's public knowledge that the military is working towards unmanned vehicles, be they planes, tanks or robots so human limitations don't necessarily need to be considered at all here.

Well we only have the deputy base commanders word and experience on this matter. It's so common knowledge I'll let you do a google on that. It being Britains Roswell and all . The incident is only important insofar as it cannot be quite so easily dismissed as secrete military craft. I stand corrected insofar as the object described was not the size of a house.

Is the reason that you don't provide links yourself because you can't find any that wouldn't be laughed out the forums/very obviously written by a child & or lunatic?

 

[MookJong]

Is the reason that you don't provide links yourself because you can't find any that wouldn't be laughed out the forums/very obviously written by a child & or lunatic?

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/RendleshamForest.htm

The MOD documents on the incident are on there

 

[ethan]

Firstly a craft experiencing g-forces in excess of what the human body can stand doesn't come close to showing that laws of physics are anywhere close to being broken. Secondly it's public knowledge that the military is working towards unmanned vehicles, be they planes, tanks or robots so human limitations don't necessarily need to be considered at all here.

Maybe not but working on the assumption these objects were capable of performing such extraordinary manouveres over 50 years ago shows them unlikey to have been terrestrial in nature- unless you want to argue we had robots or unmanned vehicles 50 years ago.

Is the reason that you don't provide links yourself because you can't find any that wouldn't be laughed out the forums/very obviously written by a child & or lunatic?

Not at all. Britains Roswell is quite common knowledge to those who have taken the time and given genuine serious consideration to the ufo problem- Skeptik and believer alike. It's just that I can't be bothered to bottle-feed an individual who can't be bothered to look for himself. An individual who tells people what it is they can see and what it is they have no right to explain.

 

[yak.h'cir]

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/RendleshamForest.htm

The MOD documents on the incident are on there

I haven't read all of them yet as there's obviously a lot of info. I'm not sure how hovering craft dripping metal surrounded by aliens relates to seeing lights and finding slightly higher then average radiation levels". Also this section jumped out at me straight away "I believe your outlined response is the right one; Neatishead, which is the sector ops centre responsible for the area had nothing unusual to report, and nothing more substantive has come to light. I have received no evidence that any radar reported unusual tracks."

Now I'm not saying that the sighting is 100% not aliens and definitely military, just that it's not 100% proof aliens are here and that there are other far more probably explanations.

 

[MookJong]

Now I'm not saying that the sighting is 100% not aliens and definitely military, just that it's not 100% proof aliens are here and that there are other far more probably explanations.

I would agree with you that there is no proof it's alien, was simply letting you know what he was talking about (although his details were off).

 

[yak.h'cir]

Maybe not but working on the assumption these objects were capable of performing such extraordinary manouveres over 50 years ago shows them unlikey to have been terrestrial in nature- unless you want to argue we had robots or unmanned vehicles 50 years ago.

Not at all. Britains Roswell is quite common knowledge to those who have taken the time and given genuine serious consideration to the ufo problem- Skeptik and believer alike. It's just that I can't be bothered to bottle-feed an individual who can't be bothered to look for himself. An individual who tells people what it is they can see and what it is they have no right to explain.

I assume you're jumping to another sighting since Britain's Roswell apparently happened in 1980 which is not 50 years ago.

It's pretty common to provide sources for any claims you make in a debate/discussion, especially when they're pretty outlandish. When you can't be bothered to do so it's no surprise that someone is going to pull you up on it.

 

[ethan]

I don't mean to be so flippant or sarcastic in my above post. All I am really trying to say is that there are some cases that stand out and warrant further investigation. They cannot always be so easily explained away as military experimental aircraft either.

I would agree with you that there is no proof it's alien, was simply letting you know what he was talking about (although his details were off).

The point was made simply because that is what Charlse Holt described it as not me.

I assume you're jumping to another sighting since Britain's Roswell apparently happened in 1980 which is not 50 years ago.

Just making a general comment about the assumed flying characteristics and speeds of ufo's reported as far back as 50 years ago.

 

[yak.h'cir]

I don't mean to be so flippant or sarcastic in my above post. All I am really trying to say is that there are some cases that stand out and warrant further investigation. They cannot always be so easily explained away as military experimental aircraft either.

I'll agree that when reading witness reports etc regards sightings they do sound amazing and so far beyond what we're probably capable of technology wise. But the point I keep coming back to in my head is that it is far more likely to be an elaborate hoax or just an outright lie, with the middle ground being someone seeing a military craft doing some crazy manoeuvre and then it becomes exaggerated to some big supernatural event that can't be explained.

 

[ethan]

I'll agree that when reading witness reports etc regards sightings they do sound amazing and so far beyond what we're probably capable of technology wise. But the point I keep coming back to in my head is that it is far more likely to be an elaborate hoax or just an outright lie, with the middle ground being someone seeing a military craft doing some crazy manoeuvre and then it becomes exaggerated to some big supernatural event that can't be explained.

I don't think it can be explained as a hoax-the entire subject is too complex for that. That is not to say there are not hoaxes.

 

[yak.h'cir]

Just making a general comment about the assumed flying characteristics and speeds of ufo's reported as far back as 50 years ago.

Even if there were observations of craft travelling several thousand miles an hour it wouldn't break any of our laws of physics as was suggested, this is obvious since we have craft/engines capable of travelling at this speed in public knowledge today.

I would still come back to the thought that it's much more likely to be a hoax/exaggeration. I'd even go along with the whole alien ufo thing being a government conspiracy so that when anyone reported seeing strange lights/movements of craft in the sky they were marked down as being crazy instead of being taken seriously. This being for the purpose of helping them protect their military secrets.

 

[ethan]

would still come back to the thought that it's much more likely to be a hoax/exaggeration. I'd even go along with the whole alien ufo thing being a government conspiracy so that when anyone reported seeing strange lights/movements of craft in the sky they were marked down as being crazy instead of being taken seriously. This being for the purpose of helping them protect their military secrets.

I would agree with that also.

Its just the other sightings from presumably reputable and professionally educated witnesses that have gone on to explain sightings of objects bigger than aircraft carriers or three football pitches just hanging silently in the air. I have come across these examples over the years and have neglected to make records of the sources (trying not to make it my life).

Edit not sure if this was the incident: http://www.mufon.com/bob_pratt/belgium.html

 

[*Moangroan*]

I think it may be possible to make a machine that is concious and I do not think our present understanding or science could comprehend this.

In the grand scheme of thing I think our science is controlled and limited on purpose and we are in the dark ages.

And yes I have no evidence to prove this.....but you have no evidence to not prove this...

 

[yak.h'cir]

I think it may be possible to make a machine that is concious and I do not think our present understanding or science could comprehend this.

I'm not so sure about that, for the most part the scientific view of the human mind is that it's just a machine, albeit a very complicated one! A lot of work is being done to create an artificial intelligence so when it eventually happens it should be completely beyond our comprehension. Although what the AI thinks of us/what we do with it is anyones guess.

In the grand scheme of thing I think our science is controlled and limited on purpose and we are in the dark ages.

And yes I have no evidence to prove this.....but you have no evidence to not prove this...

I would say it's on you to provide evidence for your theory first Although to test it I suppose you would just have to get yourself in a position where you're making scientific breakthroughs and see if anyone comes along and sensors your work...