The Case Against ETs visiting Earth

ten80p said:
Events witnessed over 2-3 nights by between 10-20 airforce personnel including the deputy base commander, recorded on casette tape, dangerously high geiger counter readings, sworn testimonies, indentations on ground, radar supportive evidence from local airport, police and locals

Theres a lot of crap too, hoaxes and easily explained events but Rendlesham and Walton make intriguing reads
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They're certainly intriguing reads! I was linked up with the Rendlesham story yesterday and it caught my attention!

It certainly sounded a lot like a coverup of something, I say more likely they're covering up some kind of weapon or plane though not aliens but I doubt we'll ever know for sure either way. Just one point about the radiation though, it wasn't 'dangerously high' it was only slightly above the expected background levels and seeing as though it was next to an American military base isn't really a shocker. Including exaggerated details like this only serves to make people think the rest of the details are probably exaggerated as well.
 
Failz said:
In all seriousness, Im amazed at how people can be so dismissive and unwilling to accept that their might be intelligence a MILLION years ahead of us quite easily.
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When I was around 13 in 1971 I really believed in this type of stuff.
All the way up to about 19 I would be buying at least one paperback a week devoted to UFO's and paranormal events.
About 30 years on and I still haven't seen any concrete proof that has made me think there is something out there.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to, there would be no-one more excited than me but when it comes to intelligent life I strongly believe we are it.
Even if there is a remote possibility then the chances of them coming here is none and I don't want to hear about travelling at warp speed or bending time.
If the stories are true then theres been millions of sightings but not one shred of evidence - go figure.

I also like how just because somebody is high up then they aren't talking crap.
I was sitting round a table the other week with around 10 consultants & doctors and at least 5 of them believed aliens built the pyramids and there is a UFO in the Great pyramid.
 
Radiation said:
Then thats strange, satellites appearing out of no where, random other craft in the background, i think not! :p

Look! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OEY0s2uYX4
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If you look at the light you'll see that the sun has just shone on the objects which is why they appear to light up. It also just took we about 30seconds to find the more a much more convincing explanation with the portion of video.

According to an astronaut called Storey Musgrave the objects in that part of the video are just light reflecting off the pieces from the support structure which was blown off when the explosive bolts were fired to separate the payload. The clips you see posted by the ufo nuts have been cut to remove the explosion and edited so that you only see the debris. Interestingly it seems Storey Musgrave is a supporter of the alien/ufo theories but has come out to debunk that particular video.
 
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Sounds very convenient, i would like to see this full video?

I know some videos could be optical effects and other things but then some stuff just can't be so easily dismissed, theres quite a few good nasa videos that can't and this is one of them.
 
yak.h'cir said:
If you look at the light you'll see that the sun has just shone on the objects which is why they appear to light up. It also just took we about 30seconds to find the more a much more convincing explanation with the portion of video.

According to an astronaut called Storey Musgrave the objects in that part of the video are just light reflecting off the pieces from the support structure which was blown off when the explosive bolts were fired to separate the payload. The clips you see posted by the ufo nuts have been cut to remove the explosion and edited so that you only see the debris. Interestingly it seems Storey Musgrave is a supporter of the alien/ufo theories but has come out to debunk that particular video.
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Don't be silly, its obviously Aliens on a mission to appear in obscure youtube videos.
 
D.P. said:
No one of any scientifc worth has ever stated that the probability of an ET visiting Earth is high, quite the oposite. What several prominant scientists have said (E.g., Frank Drake), that the probability of intelligent ET life is quite high, given the assumptions made in their equations. .
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Combat squirrel said:
So yes I think there is a massive chance ET exists (maths works this out as a greater than 99% probability)

As for visiting earth who knows, but there out there somewhere
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As for the tin foil hat, quite obviously I dont mean 'god' beaming whatever into your brain ! nut bars ! lol, I mean its usually shown to indicate a slightly nut bar person, in the sense of 'my mums got curly hair and brushes her teeth', (peter kay joke), i.e. is abit mental to believe in utter rubbish such as religion, yet people put signs like that in ET threads which are massivly, majorly more likely !

And as for someone commenting on the chances bein low ET exists......really ?? source please ? The trillion trillion stars in the univerese and were the only ones ? geroiff ! you dont even need a scientist to tell you its common sense there must be somewhere else that has evolved intelligent life.
 
Radiation said:
Sounds very convenient, i would like to see this full video?

I know some videos could be optical effects and other things but then some stuff just can't be so easily dismissed, theres quite a few good nasa videos that can't and this is one of them.
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It's hardly a leap of faith the say the objects in the video could be junk from the shuttle, there's an awful lot of it up there! Just because it doesn't fit in with aliens doesn't mean it's a cover up.

If that's one of the better UFO videos I'm even less convinced that they're visiting us.

More info from Story Musgrave:
"Objects in space, particularly near-foreground objects, do weird things, he said. They are ubiquitous. They break apart. They move independently. They bump into each other and make right- angle maneuvers. They change velocity."
 
yak.h'cir said:
It's hardly a leap of faith the say the objects in the video could be junk from the shuttle, there's an awful lot of it up there! Just because it doesn't fit in with aliens doesn't mean it's a cover up.

If that's one of the better UFO videos I'm even less convinced that they're visiting us.

More info from Story Musgrave:
"Objects in space, particularly near-foreground objects, do weird things, he said. They are ubiquitous. They break apart. They move independently. They bump into each other and make right- angle maneuvers. They change velocity."
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Now thats unbelievable, simple physics shows an object in motion stays in motion, any close foreground objects would move out of frame in a short time and will never randomly change direction, also being in space the chances of bumping are slim with objects let along small objects, also we don't see bumping of objects, as for the sun lighting up things all of a sudden, whats blocking the light exactly for individual objects?

Good ufo videos show advanced flying capabilities, check out these plane followers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWa7PZoTTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TnyDw8qfjk
 
Radiation said:
Now thats unbelievable, simple physics shows an object in motion stays in motion, any close foreground objects would move out of frame in a short time and will never randomly change direction, also being in space the chances of bumping are slim with objects let along small objects, also we don't see bumping of objects, as for the sun lighting up things all of a sudden, whats blocking the light exactly for individual objects?

Good ufo videos show advanced flying capabilities, check out these plane followers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWa7PZoTTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TnyDw8qfjk
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Notice the bit where it mentions breaking apart and collisions, these are known to alter the motion of objects.

Apparently it's the Earth that s blocking the light, also individual objects will having different surfaces so will reflect light it amounts.
 
Just had a look at those videos and whilst i'm happy to admit I don't have an explanation for them this second I certainly wouldn't classify that movement as 'advanced flying capabilities'.
 
yak.h'cir said:
They're certainly intriguing reads! I was linked up with the Rendlesham story yesterday and it caught my attention!

It certainly sounded a lot like a coverup of something, I say more likely they're covering up some kind of weapon or plane though not aliens but I doubt we'll ever know for sure either way. Just one point about the radiation though, it wasn't 'dangerously high' it was only slightly above the expected background levels and seeing as though it was next to an American military base isn't really a shocker. Including exaggerated details like this only serves to make people think the rest of the details are probably exaggerated as well.
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Yes I misworded that, your right it is higher than background but in one of the youtube docs its confirmed that these high readings were specifically on the three claimed indentations on the forest floor that the object made
 
dmpoole said:
If the stories are true then theres been millions of sightings but not one shred of evidence - go figure.
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Even just on this page people have been talking about how apparent UFOs left trails of radioactivity and given a number of people radiation sickness. And if stories of the Government's UFO cover-up are true, then of course there won't be any further physical evidence. Just a few days ago I heard how apparently a few people in Texas witnessed a UFO come falling down from the sky and minutes later, military helicopters came to the scene of the crash.
Evidence also comes in the form of pictures and videos - many on youtube.

A lot of the time, the videos are fake or just lack common sense :p http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aqn6UokAozo
 
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I think because of the size of the universe, there is probably alien life out there. Possibly a lot of it. How intelligent is it - who knows.

Have they visited earth, probably not. But then there is no (solid) evidence really either way. So I guess it's what you want to believe on that one.
 
yak.h'cir said:
Notice the bit where it mentions breaking apart and collisions, these are known to alter the motion of objects.

Apparently it's the Earth that s blocking the light, also individual objects will having different surfaces so will reflect light it amounts.
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yak.h'cir said:
Just had a look at those videos and whilst i'm happy to admit I don't have an explanation for them this second I certainly wouldn't classify that movement as 'advanced flying capabilities'.
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Obviously we disagree, two people can look at evidence and come to separate conclusions based on what they know, i also think by now you're nit picking for the sake of it, you could hand someone a HD video of a person being abducted and taken on a tour of the ship and they wouldn't even entertain the idea its real.

UFO's have disabled nuclear missiles in the past, watch this video which was on recently about it, it's quite entertaining when they bring on the sceptic, his argument is weak and tries to ignore the fact something happened or that the phenomena exists.

UFO Debate Larry King CNN 1 of 4
UFO Debate Larry King CNN 2 of 4
UFO Debate Larry King CNN 3 of 4
UFO Debate Larry King CNN 4 of 4
 
Radiation said:
Obviously we disagree, two people can look at evidence and come to separate conclusions based on what they know, i also think by now you're nit picking for the sake of it, you could hand someone a HD video of a person being abducted and taken on a tour of the ship and they wouldn't even entertain the idea its real.

UFO's have disabled nuclear missiles in the past, watch this video which was on recently about it, it's quite entertaining when they bring on the sceptic, his argument is weak and tries to ignore the fact something happened or that the phenomena exists.

UFO Debate Larry King CNN 1 of 4
UFO Debate Larry King CNN 2 of 4
UFO Debate Larry King CNN 3 of 4
UFO Debate Larry King CNN 4 of 4
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Re. disabling nuclear missiles etc, their was a couple of docs about this on sky last year, several senior russian military officials went on record confirming this happened in russia in the 1980's and 1990's, was fascinating, two of the operators had breakdowns over the incident and had to leave their posts, some of the senior guys who are now retired approved the incidents to be officially recognised but they claim the government stepped in
 
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