V diet help! (gym rats!)

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I’m going to begin the V diet on Monday to try and shift a bit of adipose before uni in 6 weeks. I have lost some weight, well bloat really since cutting down on carbs, but want to lose more, though I’m not really fat, just want a bit less bf%.

Using the method to work out cals, I should be having;

Non-workout days; 1439, workout days; 1726

So, V diet it is, which will look like this;

5 x shakes a day (1scoop whey iso, 1 scoop MP total whey which contain casein, egg protein and some WPC) which equates to roughly 900 cals, lots of protein, about 20g carbs. – 855 ish cals

On training day will have 6 shakes (1 extra, PWO with Dextrose)

Every day before bed will have 1tub quark, 1 sachet options. 200 ish cals, couple of carbs.

So, with this in mind I will be getting 1100 cals a day. Obviously the diet is currently lacking in fats and fibre, so I will need to supplement those. Fish oils and fibre supps are the way forward, but here is where I get confused. Where does the other 300/400 cals come from? Do fish oils have cals, or is it from flax oil? If so, how much flax oil (tabs? Actual oil?) do I need to be having?

It’s going to be hard going, guys, I will need some support! Has anyone got any success stories here?

Cheers!
 
Im very tempted by a part v diet. shakes during day and then a proper meal in the evening. there is no way i could do all but 4 shakes a month!!

Isnt UE doing v diet on here?
Might be worth having a look on t-nation forums, plenty of success stories on the vdiet :]

good luck fella, its a hard thing to do imo, takes some serious dedication :]
 
Is anything in this bloody sport is NOT serious dedication?! I do wonder why we do it :p haha. I can't believe that I will not be eating, well, anything - it will be seriously tough, but hopefully the results will be thick and fast. I am working constantly at the mo and making food to bring to work is a nightmare, however shakes are much simpler to prepare.

I will miss steak, though! This weekend is going to be seriously fattening! :p
 
I did the Velocity Diet last month, I lost 20 pounds over the 28 days that I did it. You are right, you're diet is lacking fats and fibre. Get yourself some milled flax seed and put some in your shakes twice a day, it will help to keep you a little bit regular although you will find you hardly need to go to the toilet a lot other than to urinate. If you are looking for something that you can have for fibre either get some chewable fibre tablets (Benecol) or do as I did and have a stick of celery from time to time. Hardly any calories and it's nice to break up the shakes which do get a little boring after a while.

I don't know if I would bother with the quark though, I just had a shake at bedtime with two scoops of casein protein and a spoonful of natural peanut for some fats.

Any questions you have please ask.
 
Wardie said:
I really don't like the look of this, i'd rather do it with proper food
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I think most people would, but the advantage of the vdiet is you can say 'im having 1500kcals a day' and then do it, of course you need to have some will power, but, its not like a normal diet where an extra potato or piece of bacon and then a slice of bread will make a huge difference.

The simplicity is what attracts me to it :]
 
Yeah I can see the appeal. If you go for it, supplement with..

Greens & Reds
Decent Multivitamin
Fibre
Omega-3
Vitamin C

Then to maybe aid fatloss...

ALCAR
Green Tea Extract
 
Well, technically whey is food, just drinkable food. This is basically a keto diet but using whey in place of, say, eggs - I don't see how it's any worse for you, as long as the macros are in order, plus have you seen that amount of weight loss while keeping muscle mass. Surely it can't be bad. :p

Clark, I take on board what you say about Quark, however if i make it into the mouse style (whipped, a bit of water, some options) and eat it like that it may make the lack of food for the rest of the day easier to cope with.

My only question, really, is where do I get the extra cals to make up the quota for the day? I seem to be lacking about 3-400, which brings me into the VLCD territory and then surely muscle mass would be lost.?!

Oh; Supps I will be having are -

Multi
I drink green tea, but maybe extract too
I have omega3/6/9 tabs
ZMA

What are green and reds?
 
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fus said:
Clark, I take on board what you say about Quark, however if i make it into the mouse style (whipped, a bit of water, some options) and eat it like that it may make the lack of food for the rest of the day easier to cope with.
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sachets are expensive compared to the larger tubs. shame i cant find orange in bigger tubs anymore, was my fav quark flavour :/
 
To make sure I was getting plenty of fats I was taking cod liver oil capsules, four of them with every shake. I think the "official" diet says you should take 25 per day but I was whittled it down to four per shake and did well enough.

Other things that are allowed on the diet, you can drink as much green tea as you like. Green tea is a mild thermogenic so helps with the fat burning. Black coffee you can drink too and things like diet coke, pepsi max etc. It's nice to have plenty of things in like this to break up the monotony of the protein shakes.

Also, something I would suggest is make up all of your days shakes in plastic baggies and take them with you to work/college/uni or wherever. I took mine in my shaker and just had one every three and a half hours. If you've got everything ready you can't really go wrong and slip up by having something you shouldn't be eating.

Good luck with it, it's tough going but worth it. You'll see the most dramatic weight loss in the first couple of weeks (I lost 14.5 pounds in the first fortnight) but you really need to stick it out for 28 days for the best results. It's the fat that you burn off towards the end that is the tougher to shift adipose fat that you are looking to get rid of.
 
For some reason I love it in mint-choc. Yummy

Oh, another question; would it be worth while buying MP's 'total protein' (the one with the egg/iso/casein) or just buy some casein to mix with the isolate i already have and make a 50/50 blend? (or 70/30)? On the T-nation forums they suggest 'low carb GAIN' product which to me just looks like a blend (no doubt the author is sponsored by the company who make it).
 
fus said:
My only question, really, is where do I get the extra cals to make up the quota for the day? I seem to be lacking about 3-400, which brings me into the VLCD territory and then surely muscle mass would be lost.?!
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Well if you're getting some flax in you that will add a few calories and also cod liver oil capsules I think worked out to about 5 cals per capsule (or something like that) so if you are having 20 a day that will add up.

Not sure what to tell you about the Quark, I know it's something that you want to have but I would try not to stray from the diet too much otherwise you might get through the 28 days and be disappointed with the results. It's really tough going if you aren't shifting the fat as much as you expect then I could imagine it's easy to lose your motivation with it.
 
fus said:
For some reason I love it in mint-choc. Yummy

Oh, another question; would it be worth while buying MP's 'total protein' (the one with the egg/iso/casein) or just buy some casein to mix with the isolate i already have and make a 50/50 blend? (or 70/30)? On the T-nation forums they suggest 'low carb GAIN' product which to me just looks like a blend (no doubt the author is sponsored by the company who make it).
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Give me a second, I'll find my MP shopping list and you can compare it to what you are buying.....
 
you should not, under any circumstance take that much cod liver oil for fat.

Fish oil = omega fats

cod liver oil = omega fats + VITAMIN D

You do not want that much vitamin D, there is the old wives tale kind of advice that you shouldn't take cod liver oil in summer, because you get plenty of vit D from sun exposure and the extra can be bad for you. Too much Vit D is incredibly bad for you, can box your kidneys quite easily. Fish oils, take a million a day, cod liver, 25 a day is incredibly dangerous.


AS someone said, this is basically a keto diet, and frankly its no quicker or better for you than simply getting on a normal keto diet, do whichever you prefer, meat, eggs, whey shakes with fat added, its literally no different. The biggest weight loss you will see is from water retention, every gram of carb makes the body absorb 4grams water, so if you dump 200grams of carbs out your body thats 800grams of water also not being retained so 2lbs right there, and thats just daily intake ignoring storage which ranges depending on level of muscle but can easily get to the 8-10lbs of water that you'll lose.

But if you keep it going right you can lose anything from 1lbs to 4/5 lbs a week on keto though normally somewhere inbetween.

Read up the threads on keto diets on here as basically all of its relevant to the V diet.

V-diet = keto diet done entirely with shakes. Ketogenic diets are muscle sparing, thats mostly the point of the diet.
 
Ok, this is what I bought for the diet:

My Protein Shopping list:

Impact Whey Protein (Unflavoured) (Refill)
-Size: 10lb (4.54kg)

Instant Milk Protein (Choc Smooth flavour) (3.0kg)

Flax Seed Powder (500g)

Thermopure -Size: 90 Capsules
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I also bought a 250 capsule bottle of multivits from Boots and had 2 a day and also bought 300 (2x150) Cod Liver Oil capsules from Boots. MAnaged to get these for all for £3.99 a bottle from Boots because my loayalty card had been set up as a member of their health club thing so you get some vitamins and supplements half price.

I had some whey left from my previous order but I think I pretty much got through the order of that from MP but I would probably go for 4kg of casein (the milk protein I ordered) if I were to do it again because the last few days I was only having unflavoured whey in the shakes and it tasted of nothing and digests more quickly so left me feeling a bit hungry between shakes.

The Thermopure is a fat burner and I would take one every morning before going for a brisk walk for 45-60 mins before work. This was the most strenuous cardio I did for the month, anything more and you are risking catabolism I believe.

Hope this helps!
 
drunkenmaster said:
you should not, under any circumstance take that much cod liver oil for fat.

You do not want that much vitamin D, there is the old wives tale kind of advice that you shouldn't take cod liver oil in summer, because you get plenty of vit D from sun exposure and the extra can be bad for you. Too much Vit D is incredibly bad for you, can box your kidneys quite easily. Fish oils, take a million a day, cod liver, 25 a day is incredibly dangerous.


AS someone said, this is basically a keto diet, and frankly its no quicker or better for you than simply getting on a normal keto diet, do whichever you prefer, meat, eggs, whey shakes with fat added, its literally no different. The biggest weight loss you will see is from water retention, every gram of carb makes the body absorb 4grams water, so if you dump 200grams of carbs out your body thats 800grams of water also not being retained so 2lbs right there, and thats just daily intake ignoring storage which ranges depending on level of muscle but can easily get to the 8-10lbs of water that you'll lose.

But if you keep it going right you can lose anything from 1lbs to 4/5 lbs a week on keto though normally somewhere inbetween.

Read up the threads on keto diets on here as basically all of its relevant to the V diet.

V-diet = keto diet done entirely with shakes. Ketogenic diets are muscle sparing, thats mostly the point of the diet.
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Like you said, an old wives tale. I felt awesome on this diet once my metabolism had switched to burning fat for energy rather than using carbs. I actually set several new PBs at the gym while I was doing it. It's important to drink plenty of water on this diet to help protect your kidneys and that shouldn't be forgotten. I was drinking around 5-6 litres a day.

And, as you say some weight loss is water and most of that is what you lose in the first couple of days. However, after I had transitioned (over a week or so) off the diet and had gone back to eating more normal meals I put on just over a pound and a half which is most likely water weight.
 
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