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Just wonderin if anyone on the forums is an architect (the buildingy type). Im studying architecture at university (about to enter 2nd year in sept) and working at a practice over the summer for experience. Im interested in hearing about architects experiences to motivate me :)
 
A guy I worked with(until a couple of weeks ago) just got a one year placement at some fancy ass architecture company in New York which is iirc, currently working on the new Twin Towers. Just shows you can get places if you work your panties off.
 
I did up to RIBA Part 2, worked for 2 and a half years in between.

Let me tell you now that your course does not prepare you in practice, they really don't teach you what it is like working in an architect office.
 
I'd be interested too into how you got your placement over the summer, I've taken a year off between year2 and year3 to get some practice in practice before finishing my degree. The uni still has most of my portfolio (hand drawn a lot of it) so not sure how easy it would be to get into somewhere with limited CAD and not much of a portfolio to show :(
 
I did up to RIBA Part 2, worked for 2 and a half years in between.

Let me tell you now that your course does not prepare you in practice, they really don't teach you what it is like working in an architect office.

Are you referring to the young uns doing bread and butter house designs, construction details, preparation for planning, etc as opposed to arty farty conceptual designs that most likely won't even stand up?
 
where you doing your summer placement? How did you get it?

Im at a smallish practice in Lincolnshire , around 10 employees. i got the placement through knowing a friend whod worked for the practice before on their year out, and then sent my cv in, then being invited for interview, where i showed them a few bits from my portfolio. Theres another guy who is wokring the summer there as well who did much the same thing.

Basically my advice from what ive seen, is to send cvs around and if you get invited for an interview, bring a few bits of portfolio, but proly the most important thing is CAD skills. Once youve learnt autocad, or similar package (like vectorworks, microstation etc) most practices would definitely be more receptive to you. The pay isnt partciaulrly amazing, but the expereince is worth it.

In my time there, I am drawing up new buildings in cad, making 3d models of them in sketchup and putting together design statements. Many other tasks inlclude amendments to plans, drawing building regulations details, site meetins, client meetings, researching (precedents and materials), and phoning / chasing engineers/ planning dept. I certainly learnt a lot about the design process and planning dept procedures in a short space of time. As said earlier, university does not prepare you at all for office/practice life, its at best, a stepping stone to it. In practice, buildigns have to be designed for the real world, and many compromises will be made as a result of that. Ive found that architects go to a lot more meetings and are on the phone a lot more thatn i ever thought. its about c-ordinating the different groups of people, (client/engineer/planning dept/builders etc etc) and keeping them all in the loop and relatively happy!

Mainly during a placement you will mainly be drawing up cad details and doing winodw/door schedules in the larger practices. even in smaller practices you will be expected to know cad, and sketchup is useful too. Having said that , cad is not to hard to pick up , you should be able to get up to speed in a week or so in practice.

If you are a year out placement , the amount of design work you will actaully do will vary, and usually in smaller pratices you will have much more design input and perhaps a small project of your own to manage.
Its all about seeking out practices that you admire the work of, websites are usually the first port of call for researching where you might like to work. beware of "architectural design studios" and "building design studios" becuase they might not be RIBA accredited, and the term 'architect' is professionally protected so anyone not registered with RIBA/ARB cannot legally call themselves an architect or use architect(s) in their company name.

erm ok, ive written much more than i set out to, so if youve read through all that and still got more questions then feel free to ask, ill try to answer them lol
 
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Are you referring to the young uns doing bread and butter house designs, construction details, preparation for planning, etc as opposed to arty farty conceptual designs that most likely won't even stand up?

I mean the course are all design based, where in practice everywhere you turn you have to think of building reg, planning permission and budget costs.

All these glazing designs a lot of students do because that's all they see from Fosters, Rogers, Grimshaw et all... won't get pass the current building regs unless you throw some serious money at it with fancy glazing to lower the U-Value and show calculations on heat loss is that of or less than a required standard.

All these restrictions means it's hard to design to your content, not to mention there is not such a thing as planning officer in uni, you have to get your design pass him too in real life.
 
ooh so are you working towards part 3 now?

No, i did a law conversation and now looking to be a solicitor....

Anyway, learn CAD, if you can't draw, you are useless.

If you managed to get a placement in a big practice, you'll most likely end up drawing door nobs for the next few months, if you are lucky, design the front gate of the car park. The project architect will no doubt make all the big design decisions and the technicians and may be you will get to work on the working drawings....which means you have to know your stuff when it comes to sizes (size of a beam, depth, type to use), window size opening, door (internal, external), partition walls details, how big a brick is, know where to put the marker for the distance on the drawing. You don't put it on every surface, you also don't really design everything to 1000mm or 5000mm, most buildings are designed to brick lengths (for brick buildings). Even when it comes to steel frame buildings with a brick skin you'll need to do the same.

In 2 and a half years, only towards the end when i got a chance to run a project from start to end myself (survey, design, planning, choose material, building reg, build) The satisfaction is certainly good but its a long process to get there.
 
No, i did a law conversation and now looking to be a solicitor....

Anyway, learn CAD, if you can't draw, you are useless.

If you managed to get a placement in a big practice, you'll most likely end up drawing door nobs for the next few months, if you are lucky, design the front gate of the car park. The project architect will no doubt make all the big design decisions and the technicians and may be you will get to work on the working drawings....which means you have to know your stuff when it comes to sizes (size of a beam, depth, type to use), window size opening, door (internal, external), partition walls details, how big a brick is, know where to put the marker for the distance on the drawing. You don't put it on every surface, you also don't really design everything to 1000mm or 5000mm, most buildings are designed to brick lengths (for brick buildings). Even when it comes to steel frame buildings with a brick skin you'll need to do the same.

In 2 and a half years, only towards the end when i got a chance to run a project from start to end myself (survey, design, planning, choose material, building reg, build) The satisfaction is certainly good but its a long process to get there.

You are quite right, for the large practices, its not too much fun in the beginning. But it's not the same case at smaller , more independent practices. My friend on his year out after Part I, worked on and designed a large extension and conversion of a church into a arts centre from start to being on site (with a little guidance from the boss of course.) He had much more input and responsibilty than most of his year, as a result of working at a smaller practice. Of course this is at the better end of the scale,many of his friends were indeed in the same situation you describe, a lot depends on the strucutre/size and ethos of the practice you are working in. for example , at Make architects, they are said to take input from everyone regardelss of whether they are asenior architect or year out student, althouhg how much this is true here (or indeed at other practices) i dont know.
 
i did some IT work for a major architects practice

it's always amusing to see someone who considers themself some kind of visionary artist on the phone arguing about soil pipe routing
 
i did some IT work for a major architects practice

it's always amusing to see someone who considers themself some kind of visionary artist on the phone arguing about soil pipe routing

That reminds me, i had to design, and draw the entire sewage network for a housing estate in half a dozen different projects (Plan and section) ! there is an art to it, you need to do a level survey to know which way the ground falls, where the existing drains are (fresh and foul) and connect to them with a steep enough gradient and as little bends as possible (less manholes).

You never thought you had to design sewage networks did ya ? :p
 
That reminds me, i had to design, and draw the entire sewage network for a housing estate in half a dozen different projects (Plan and section) ! there is an art to it, you need to do a level survey to know which way the ground falls, where the existing drains are (fresh and foul) and connect to them with a steep enough gradient and as little bends as possible (less manholes).

You never thought you had to design sewage networks did ya ? :p

So my last summer working as a surveyor for a company making sure sewers built on new housing estates were up to scratch and functioning correctly, then drawing the finished plans with calculations of gradient was not a waste of time then :D

Thanks all the people who have posted in this thread, hopefully I can get a basic portfolio up to scratch with my CV. Would you count physical model making as a good skill to have as someone looking to get into a small-medium sized practice (8-15 people) or do most practices just rely on CAD drawings/presentations?
 
So my last summer working as a surveyor for a company making sure sewers built on new housing estates were up to scratch and functioning correctly, then drawing the finished plans with calculations of gradient was not a waste of time then :D

Thanks all the people who have posted in this thread, hopefully I can get a basic portfolio up to scratch with my CV. Would you count physical model making as a good skill to have as someone looking to get into a small-medium sized practice (8-15 people) or do most practices just rely on CAD drawings/presentations?

Model making is a good skill to have but have some good photos taken of your models to show them off in yoru portfolio.
However, most practices , even smaller ones, have migrated to 3D models being done on the computer. Its just much quicker to make models on the computer and allows the ability to walk around and through the building, which makes it easier for the client to visualise. Things like lighting and shadow analysis is also much easier done on the computer.
Sketchup is quite easy to learn in a short amount of time, 3D studio max and other more advanced packages take a bit longer to master.
 
Phrases you will learn to love

"Architecture is in the detail" Translation - It may not be conceptual design work but CAD floor plans are still architecture!

"All areas of architecture are design" Translation - It may not be conceptual design but drawing door schedules and room layouts is still design!

;)
 
My uncle is an architect and is currently working in Dubai after signing a 50 million pound contract.

If you good and working for the right company, there is some serious cash to be made!

(He has his own company)
 
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