The Office Support Guy

[Cupra]

Offer him a fight in the carpark

but make it at hometime and tell everyone so they can watch............. kids

 

[Redrum]

His arguement was that PHP is for kids in their bedrooms, real developers use ASP.

Ask him whether he thinks that Wikipedia, Facebook and Yahoo were built by kids in their bedrooms or by real developers.

 

[Basher]

That argument is void for serious business use, I pay £700 a year per server to redhat because I'm not running an unsupported OS. Any OS costs money when you're running critical production systems on it, so I wish people would stop using 'free' as an argument for Linux in a business context.

Nail. Head. Hit. People need to consider longer term TCO/ROI rather than just capital investment, sure linux may seem free, but it works out being more expensive to support in mission critical environments.

 

[nikebee]

I'm guessing it's on the laptops because they're fairly likely to be connected to other networks. Carrying a Netscreen around isn't very practical

LOL not sure why I found that so funny to be honest

 

[bigredshark]

Nail. Head. Hit. People need to consider longer term TCO/ROI rather than just capital investment, sure linux may seem free, but it works out being more expensive to support in mission critical environments.

Well I'd disagree with more expensive, certainly not more so than Enterprise server and microsoft support cases but my point was it's not free and you choose based on your requirements, not the costs, because thats almost identical....

 

[Caged]

Not from a developers point of view, nothing even comes close to logic pro 8 software wise. PC based recording solutions just flop in comparision and I've tried a lot of the computing based recording software.

I'm guessing when you say developer you mean musician?

 

[Basher]

Well I'd disagree with more expensive, certainly not more so than Enterprise server and microsoft support cases but my point was it's not free and you choose based on your requirements, not the costs, because thats almost identical....

Somewhat surprisingly MS deployments have worked out cheaper here than the equivalent non MS deployment. Obviously that won't always be the same though and as you say it's all about using the most appropriate vendor and tool based upon your requirements and skill base.

 

[RDM]

Well I'd disagree with more expensive, certainly not more so than Enterprise server and microsoft support cases but my point was it's not free and you choose based on your requirements, not the costs, because thats almost identical....

The general area where Red Hat systems fall down when it comes to cost has always been staff costs in my experience. With the dominance of Wintel machines Linux support staff tend to be rarer and therefore command a premium. On an almost completely unrelated note I do like what MS are doing with Server 2008, shaping up to be a very nice product.

 

[djmc0]

The general area where Red Hat systems fall down when it comes to cost has always been staff costs in my experience. With the dominance of Wintel machines Linux support staff tend to be rarer and therefore command a premium. On an almost completely unrelated note I do like what MS are doing with Server 2008, shaping up to be a very nice product.

Yeah but most places will have wintel engineers and Sun/linux engineers? surely?

Where I work we are forced through various sun/microsoft refreshers a years.