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Anyone with a 48xx and Vista 64?

MR.B said:
Do you work for ATI or what? Your always defending them... coming up with some excuse, and having a go at people who have this problem, as if it's there fault ATI cant make working drivers.

And i had a 8800GTX from Vista release, and the drivers caused crashes for about the first 2 weeks, then a driver update fixed this issue for me and many others, and everything was fine. Like i said, i've made 100+ system with NV cards since Vista since release, no problems (apart from GTX for first 2 weeks).
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Im not making excuses for me or anyone else & as i have not made any excuses.
You just moan like your experience is the same for everyone else as regards to NV & ATI & the fact is its not.

You got lucky with NV 8800 if your vista problems got fixed for (you) in 2 weeks as others had problems for 6 months & what if it did not get fixed in 2 week you would be here saying the exact same about NV as you are on ATI its just lucky for NV that it was not you at that time with 6 months of NV8800 vista problems or the barrage would be aimed at them.

I had no problems going from XP to vista on my 1900xt ATI cards ..not one single issue & virtually no problems till to this very day on my 3x3870 so how do you account for that if ATI are what your say they are.

All im doing is counteracting your experience with mine as you been with NV & i have been with ATI & my experience is noting like yours & i don't claim that my experience is the same for others on ATI & post like its a world wide epidemic if i do get one.
I have just been pointing out that more users will have problems on immature tech & drivers on NV & ATI..even tho i have had little to no issue, but your practically saying ..no ..no your experience with NV & ATI is the same for most when its not.

Do i work for ATI... think of something new to throw at me ;)

Sometimes you get lucky jumping on first & some times you don't.. & if you cant take the heat when your luck is down then don't jump on until its safe to do so...just like many waiting for vista SP1.
 
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wunkley said:
All I'm going off is MY OWN experience. What else am I to base my user opinion on, you clot.
I haven't said it's the same for everyone, and I have no brand loyalty, I just buy the supposed best at the time, which for the last few years just happens to have been nvidia.
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And i have explained to why its bad to judge new tech on immature drivers as things are not equal when you equate years of NV cards but a month or 2 of ati usage on new tech & immature drivers & post it like its most probably always been like that.
Even review sites say give drivers time to mature before you give a final judgement but to many long term NV owners jump the gun on both counts as they have not had the long term experience of ATI progression over the years while using there NV cards.

Oh less of the name calling pls.
 
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Final8y said:
And i have explained to why its bad to judge new tech on immature drivers as things are not equal when you equate years of NV cards but a month or 2 of ati usage on new tech & immature drivers & post it like its most probably always been like that.
Even review sites say give drivers time to mature before you give a final judgement but to many long term NV owners jump the gun on both counts as they have not had the long term experience of ATI progression over the years while using there NV cards.

Oh less of the name calling pls.
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I can't be bothered with this. Whatever turns you on pal.
 
wunkley said:
I can't be bothered with this. Whatever turns you on pal.
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No wonder you don't learn from the pitfalls of tech history as you have not learned that its unwise to call people names in a debate.
I learn from the experience of others as well as my own so that i don't have to always make the same mistake as others first.
 
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Debating is something that you may learn in time as your clearly not up to it at the moment.
I have nothing against people posting there problems & trying to get them sorted out & im glad to help.

But when people come in with a problem & all they can do is rant & rave about i did not have this problem with X brand before and & anyone who does not have this problem with the current Y brand is a fanboy..ect.. & not really interested in getting help or sorting it out & just wants to moan, then me & others are justified in putting our differing experience forward.
 
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Hi can you two stop it! its a problem thread, not a bash any camp or whos better than who thread. This thread is here for people having issues who want to share and hopefully help each other solve our problems.
Start a new thread on who knows what more or does things better.
 
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So did anyone else bother to fill in the ATI driver team feedback form i linked to at the bottom of page 8? :p

I dont know what to do now, the X2 is going back today as it now wont run anything 3D anymore without crashing immediately.
Should i bother with another X2? Even though i had the Display driver stopped respending problem it was rare enough to live with, unlike the 4870.

I cant live with this temp 8800GTS 320MB card for long... and a little know fact... the colours are worse on NV cards prior to the 200's (i can notice this easily on a good monitor), and definitely not as good as the 48xx's, i think this has to do with the fact that prior-generation NV GPUs included internal 10-bit processing, but could only output 8-bit component colours (RGB). But GeForce 200 GPUs permit both 10-bit internal processing and 10-bit colour output (same with 48xx), it affects both desktop and 3D, basically anything thats output.
It's also something that cant be compared in screenshots, because for instance if you was to view a 10-bit colour screenshot from a NV 2xx or ATI 48xx on a NV 8/9xxx series, that screenshot would be displayed in 8-Bit.


Final8y said:
I had no problems going from XP to vista on my 1900xt ATI cards ..not one single issue & virtually no problems till to this very day on my 3x3870 so how do you account for that if ATI are what your say they are.
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I actually said 2900, but it was so long ago now it was actually a 1950XT that i meant, it had a known problem for months with Vista, where it would crash with anything 3D when switching to full screen. The cause was switching from 2D clocks to 3D clocks, the only fix was manually editing a file to stop it switching to 3D clocks (so you lost about 20%+ performance). This only affected the 1950, not the 1900. Google "1950xt vista problem 2d clocks" pretty much everyone with that card and Vista had that problem.
 
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What was the noise/temps like of the X2? did you try TF2 with it?

I'm sorely tempted to replace my GTX with one.
 
I've found a bug, if you "sleep" a dual monitor system it won't wake up, you have to disable the secondary monitor for it to work.
 
Robert said:
What was the noise/temps like of the X2? did you try TF2 with it?

I'm sorely tempted to replace my GTX with one.
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It's a little less noisey than GTX 280, but not as quiet as a 260. It takes quite a while for the card to get hot enough for the fan to spin up to more noisey levels. Temps were 70c-ish idle, and atleast 85c under load, but didn't take much notice of this.

Yeah i tried TF2, it will run it @ 2560x1600, full graphical settings, v-sync, 16xAA + 16xAF and i never noticed the frame rate drop at these settings... it's not even possible to max that game or settings out even more, TF2 is nothing for the X2. Dont bother with this card unless you have a absolute minimum of 1920x1200 res monitor.
 
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bugger as i said on page 6 i i have installed xp and i have seen the crashing to bbut not with cats 8.8 driver and ccc 8.6 well 3 crashen in 3 days of gamein
 
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I've got a 4870 on 64 bit Vista (had it over a month now) - hadn't tried any games until last night when I tried Crysis and Assassins Creed. Both crash after about 5 mins constantly. I tried the 8.6 hotfix drivers and the 8.8. Not sure whether to cut my losses now, get a GTX280 and Ebay this one. I had a 8800GTX previously which was flawless. Slightly gutted....
 
moneypit23 said:
I've got a 4870 on 64 bit Vista (had it over a month now) - hadn't tried any games until last night when I tried Crysis and Assassins Creed. Both crash after about 5 mins constantly. I tried the 8.6 hotfix drivers and the 8.8. Not sure whether to cut my losses now, get a GTX280 and Ebay this one. I had a 8800GTX previously which was flawless. Slightly gutted....
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I have the exact same setup. I completed Assassins Creed on this card and played 5-6 hours of crysis at least. So you either need to format or get your card changed over. It not like all the 4870's have the same problem.
 
TNA said:
I have the exact same setup. I completed Assassins Creed on this card and played 5-6 hours of crysis at least. So you either need to format or get your card changed over. It not like all the 4870's have the same problem.
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If you read my first post, you will know that a format does nothing, neither does a ton of other things. Chances are if he got another 4870, it will happen again, just like it did with me.
 
MR.B said:
If you read my first post, you will know that a format does nothing, neither does a ton of other things. Chances are if he got another 4870, it will happen again, just like it did with me.
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Thats weird. I just looked at your setup and i cant see any reason for it to have happened 2 times with you. Did you format your computer?
 
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MR.B said:
It's a little less noisey than GTX 280, but not as quiet as a 260. It takes quite a while for the card to get hot enough for the fan to spin up to more noisey levels. Temps were 70c-ish idle, and atleast 85c under load, but didn't take much notice of this.

Yeah i tried TF2, it will run it @ 2560x1600, full graphical settings, v-sync, 16xAA + 16xAF and i never noticed the frame rate drop at these settings... it's not even possible to max that game or settings out even more, TF2 is nothing for the X2. Dont bother with this card unless you have a absolute minimum of 1920x1200 res monitor.
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I think I'll get the X2 then. Hopefully I won't have any issues.
 
TNA said:
Thats weird. I just looked at your setup and i cant see any reason for it to have happened 2 times with you. Did you format your computer?
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Yeah and more than once, but read the original thread post, i've listed everything i've tried there...
 
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