Why did G92 GTS prices rise again?

[jarvis82]

Just wondering basically - purely out of interest.

When the 48x series hit the shelves, I understood that there was going to be pretty much a blanket price drop on 8x/9x/260/280 series. As expected, this did happen, but the 512MB 8800 GTS series, despite an initial price drop to around £120, has suddenly shot back up. OCUK stopped stocking them altogether (understandable), but many other retailers now aren't letting them go for below £170.

I only ask because I have just installed an Asus 512MB 8800 GTS, after squeezing it out of my PC's suppliers, following a couple of months of problems with the 8800 GT that came with the system.

Like its more powerful predecessor, the Ultra, is it simply that it is holding its value for a while longer, or are retailers simply not wanting to let go of their few remaining units at a potential loss?

The way the graphics card market works tickles my interest it seems!

 

[lay-z-boy]

They're coming to their end of life. Limited stock, no/lowered production and products that replace them drives the price up and keeps it up.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

They're coming to their end of life. Limited stock, no/lowered production and products that replace them drives the price up and keeps it up.

No they aint, they got renamed 9800 GTX and 9800 GTX+ (for the overclocked one), those have just come out.

 

[lay-z-boy]

No they aint, they got renamed 9800 GTX and 9800 GTX+ (for the overclocked one), those have just come out.

Getting a bit long in the tooth now, don't you think loadsa?

 

[Skyboat]

is it simply that it is holding its value for a while longer, or are retailers simply not wanting to let go of their few remaining units at a potential loss?

Bit of both I think, of course any "newer" stock of G92 GTS from nVidia (if they had any left that is) will obviously be sold to re-sellers at a lower price.

There will always be some muppet who will buy it at that kind of price though. Just look at some of the people eyeing up some Ultras in the B-Grade section still priced £200+

OT: Oh and the 9800GTX+ ain't exactly the same chip since it's 55nm process. *waits for inevitable "it's a die shrink but same GPU blah blah etc." which in essence can be applied to the last 3 generations of graphics cards from both the top two brands

 

[thegoonden]

Getting a bit long in the tooth now, don't you think loadsa?

'Tis a fact though.

I mean, mavity as an average acceleration of 9.81ms^-2 is a ludicrously old fact, but I don't think you'd set your beer in the air beside you and expect it not to spill.


I think there is an element of desirability on the G92 GTS's, they seem pretty much able to hold their own against an 8800GTX, but on less juice/with less heat. Also, some games never use all the GTX's SP's so the lower number at a higher clock on the GTS could actually run better for some people. Combine that with them pinching all the boards for re-badging, and that's why they're going up.

 

[Skyboat]

Also, some games never use all the GTX's SP's so the lower number at a higher clock on the GTS could actually run better for some people.

They both have the same number of SPs and TMUs. The GTX however has more ROPs.

 

[thegoonden]

They both have the same number of SPs and TMUs. The GTX however has more ROPs.

Ahh, I assumed the 512's were the same in that respect as the 320's, 96 SP's vs 128. Sorry.

With the same number AND the higher clocks then, it really should hold it's own perfectly well against a GTX.

 

[Chimerical]

'Tis a fact though.

I mean, mavity as an average acceleration of 9.81ms^-2 is a ludicrously old fact, but I don't think you'd set your beer in the air beside you and expect it not to spill.

You don't need Constant reminding of that fact though, do you?

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Just wondering basically - purely out of interest.

When the 48x series hit the shelves, I understood that there was going to be pretty much a blanket price drop on 8x/9x/260/280 series. As expected, this did happen, but the 512MB 8800 GTS series, despite an initial price drop to around £120, has suddenly shot back up. OCUK stopped stocking them altogether (understandable), but many other retailers now aren't letting them go for below £170.

I only ask because I have just installed an Asus 512MB 8800 GTS, after squeezing it out of my PC's suppliers, following a couple of months of problems with the 8800 GT that came with the system.

Like its more powerful predecessor, the Ultra, is it simply that it is holding its value for a while longer, or are retailers simply not wanting to let go of their few remaining units at a potential loss?

The way the graphics card market works tickles my interest it seems!

poor competition and the lack of driver support from ATi cards have made the nvidia cards go up in price from the looks of it. cuda assist is also a driving factor these days.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

You don't need Constant reminding of that fact though, do you?

It wasn't a reminder.

 

[TheRealDeal]

poor competition and the lack of driver support from ATi cards have made the nvidia cards go up in price from the looks of it. cuda assist is also a driving factor these days.

Poor competition lol got one word for ya 4850 which almost all would take over any g92 card and lack of driver support is laugh able as there is 1 driver every month. Cuda most people who buy cards have no interest in this. I buy graphics cards to play games like most other people.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

l got one word for ya 4850

first of all thats not a word, its a number

lack of driver support is laugh able as there is 1 driver every month.

iv seen those driver threads, every time a new cats version is out everyone goes back to the older drivers since new ones are usually borked. check out the 8.8 thread.

Cuda most people who buy cards have no interest in this.

and there are people that buy a card for nothing but CUDA. with ati you get a gfx card thats can only play games. nvidia offer products that go beyond the scope of gaming. to regular kids it probably wont matter.

 

[TheRealDeal]

first of all thats not a word, its a number



iv seen those driver threads, every time a new cats version is out everyone goes back to the older drivers since new ones are usually borked. check out the 8.8 thread.


and there are people that buy a card for nothing but CUDA. with ati you get a gfx card thats can only play games. nvidia offer products that go beyond the scope of gaming. to regular kids it probably wont matter.

Sorry foureightfifty lol

Was the same with the 8800gt as they were bought on mass because of there price performance so there was a lot of people that had different problems. There also a lot of people in those threads saying no problems with them.

Just think the majority of gamers won't care about cuda as most buy to play games. Did not see many people buying ps3 games consoles when they were the fastest folding machine.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Just think the majority of gamers won't care about cuda and thats mostly what gpu's are for. Did not see many people buying ps3 games consoles when they were the fastest folding machine.

seeing as how cuda is now being used in games for physics acceleration and has been used in the past for doing things like procedural texturing, it will be something that gamers will look for in the short future.

 

[TheRealDeal]

You never know i may be one of them but for now my next card will be for playing games as i am sure most other peoples will be 4850 is best card in its segment atm imo.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

card choices will be dependant on personal choice and required features. some people may want more performance and get a 4850, some people may want to do gpu folding and get a 8800gt. some people may want game specific profiles and hardware acceleration of physics in the games they play (that have hardware physx) so will get a nvidia card.

its all down to personal requirements. to each his own....

 

[LoadsaMoney]

lack of driver support is laughable as there is 1 driver every month.

Yup hilarious that, its an official WHQL as well, Nvidia owners have to get their drivers from Xfastest (crappy betas), or if they don't fancy trawling through a Chinese webby, wait till Guru3D or LaptopVideo2go grab them from those guys to host, they even mod them to work on their cards to.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Yup hilarious that, its an official WHQL as well,

lol a whql drive thats so badly messed up that even you have admitted its dodgey: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12376336&postcount=10

Im using the 8.8's fine here, but a lot people are having problems with them so they've gone back to the 8.7's.

so ati seem to go for quantity with a driver release every month. and bodge up the release more than often.

Nvidia owners have to get their drivers from Xfastest (crappy betas),

again more crap is posted by you. if someone wants drivers for thier nvidia card they will get them from Nvidia officially which is here: www.nvidia.com , more specifically the download page: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

you been on these forums for so long yet you dont even know where to find official drivers from? did you even go to school?

 

[Lightnix]

ATi's GPUs have been fully programmable since the R580 core (X1900). Nvidia's just really noisy about their solution. To be honest once DX11 comes around both CUDA and the Stream SDK will die out and nobody will remember them because of the DX11 compute language. Oh well.