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Woody__ said:
Popular culture is awash with ways in which we will label people in order to catagorize them into some kind of small package and many major music publications take advantage of this, using music as the tool to allow for this to happen.
The day we let fashion dictate what kind of music someone listens too, or what kind of music you should be making, is the day that the industry becomes yet another production line, just in the same way pop music has become
Running a music website myself, I'm not against the categorization of bands, or putting bands in genres. It makes my job distinctly easier. But when we start using genres of music to label the way people dress, or a style of fashion, it just descends into a complete farce.
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While qwerty may have been wrong about this guy being emo, there is an emo style. I
I'm not sure why you're taking such umbridge to a musical genre being used to describe a style of appearance, it's hardly the first time. Punk, goth, electro, all of those could be used to describe an appearance which yes derives from the bands and fans but obviously isn't limited to them or a requirement for the band.
Your appearance doesnt dictate what you listen to and it's all to do with how the bands look, nothing to do with kerrang and co.
The responsibility you can lumber them(kerrang, MH, terrorizer etc) with is deciding what this month/years musical flavour is and that will influence the bands that the kids idolise and a follow on from that is the stylistic influence. You may know what you're talking about when it comes to music but when it comes to music culture it appears you do not.
 
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Abraham said:
While qwerty may have been wrong about this guy being emo, there is an emo style, i'm not sure why you're taking such umbridge to a musical genre being used to describe a style of appearance, it's hardly the first time, punk, goth, electro, all of those could be used to describe an appearance which yes derives from the bands and fans but obviously isn't limited to them or a requirement for the band, your appearance doesnt dictate what you listen to and it's all to do with how the bands look, nothing to do with kerrang and co, the responsibility you can lumber them with is deciding what this month/years flavour is and that will influence the bands that the kids idolise and a follow on from that is the stylistic influence. You may know what you're talking about when it comes to music but when it comes to music culture it appears you do not.
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I just find it completely ridiculous that you can call a man "emo" who is not in an "emo" band. How does that work?
 
Woody__ said:
I just find it completely ridiculous that you can call a man "emo" who is not in an "emo" band. How does that work?
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because it's not just a musical genre it is a fashion/style which while they may overlap quite significantly are distinctly seperate things.

It's like if you had someone in a thrash band with a big colorful mohawk, wearing tartan and DM's the person would be a punk(stylistically) but obviously you would presume they are musically a metaller as they're playing in a thrash band.
 
Abraham said:
While qwerty may have been wrong about this guy being emo, there is an emo style, i'm not sure why you're taking such umbridge to a musical genre being used to describe a style of appearance, it's hardly the first time, punk, goth, electro, all of those could be used to describe an appearance which yes derives from the bands and fans but obviously isn't limited to them or a requirement for the band, your appearance doesnt dictate what you listen to and it's all to do with how the bands look, nothing to do with kerrang and co, the responsibility you can lumber them with is deciding what this month/years flavour is and that will influence the bands that the kids idolise and a follow on from that is the stylistic influence. You may know what you're talking about when it comes to music but when it comes to music culture it appears you do not.
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That first sentence was painful to read! And the post as a whole seems to lack any coherent point.
 
Woody__ said:
I think its cooler to realise that they are, in fact, actual ***** and most hate is justified. They make terrible music, imo and I quite like metal.
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No most people hate them because of what they look like and how popular they've become.

I dont care about that stuff, I like the music thats all there is to it.
 
Abraham said:
because it's not just a musical genre it is a fashion/style which while they may overlap quite significantly are distinctly seperate things.

It's like if you had someone in a thrash band with a big colorful mohawk, wearing tartan and DM's the person would be a punk(stylistically) but obviously you would presume they are musically a metaller as they're playing in a thrash band.
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While I see your point, this **** Oli is not an "emo". I just think it's a ridiculous term, frankly.

I disagree with your previous post anyway. While Kerrang and NME do not dictate fashion in a clothing sense, they absolutely do in a musical sense. I'm not saying that you cannot equate music to fashion, just that I find that those who do so are ridiculous. I don't see why you have to dress a certain way to indentify with a certain type of music, but that's more my opinion than anything else.

In any event, because that various music publications designate what is cool and what is not to cool to like musically, for many kids these magazines are the bible and as a result, they start to dress like the bands they like. They influence fashion by proxy, not directly.
 
Woody__ said:
While I see your point, this **** Oli is not an "emo". I just think it's a ridiculous term, frankly.

I disagree with your previous post anyway. While Kerrang and NME do not dictate fashion in a clothing sense, they absolutely do in a musical sense. I'm not saying that you cannot equate music to fashion, just that I find that those who do so are ridiculous. I don't see why you have to dress a certain way to indentify with a certain type of music, but that's more my opinion than anything else.

In any event, because that various music publications designate what is cool and what is not to cool to like musically, for many kids these magazines are the bible and as a result, they start to dress like the bands they like. They influence fashion by proxy, not directly.
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I was under the impression that was what my post said, that kerrang and co dictate musical popularity and it is a side affect of that which leads to the fashion popularity.
 
Spuderoony said:
That first sentence was painful to read! And the post as a whole seems to lack any coherent point.
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Edited punctuation, the point seems fairly obvious to me that musical genres can be distinct from their accompanying fashions, which unfortunately often share the same name.
 
Abraham said:
I was under the impression that was what my post said, that kerrang and co dictate musical popularity and it is a side affect of that which leads to the fashion popularity.
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My apologies then. I only had a quick skim over it being that I'm in work an' all.
 
Abraham said:
Edited punctuation, the point seems fairly obvious to me that musical genres can be distinct from their accompanying fashions, which unfortunately often share the same name.
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True. Though I think some of the original comments were probably an expression of the distaste for 'emo' having become an adjective in some circles.
 
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