I don't like teachers

Pottsey said:
"Urmmm, I thought teachers earned a salary, x amount per annum, so they do earn money over the holidays :\."
The simplified version is you work 39 weeks work at £xx per hour. 4 weeks of paid holidays so 43 total working weeks. You then divide that wage by 12 so you get the same every month.

So you have 9 weeks unpaid per year and your holidays cost more.
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Who are you quoting there?
 
big_white_dog84 said:
I've developed a bit of a dislike of teachers after a few incidents I've had with them recently. I'm an engineer and I've done a bit of work in and around various schools over the last few months. This has given me my first contact with teachers since leaving school 8 years ago.

I noticed very quickly that they speak to people in a very different way to the rest of society. They insisted on speaking to me like I was a child, even to the point that they introdiced themselves as 'Mr', 'Mrs', 'Miss' etc rather than their first names. I don't even call my Managing Director 'Mr MD' so there was no way I was calling them anything other than their real names, which they didn't seem to like at all.

I also don't understand why they get a 9-3.30 working day (and many of them DO work these hours - I've seen the cars driving away) and about three times as many holidays as anyone else.

On top of this it's about as secure a job as you could get - a teacher getting sacked is so rare that it makes the press. Yet from everyone's experience as a child we all know that there are so so many terrible teachers out there. I think that a main purpose of an education is to prepare children for life in the real world. How can teachers do this when the majority of them have never been outside the academic environment?

I think my dislike comes partly from the attitude they seem to develop and partly from jealousy about their cushy working lives.

Does anyone else share similar feelings? Can any teachers tell me why I'm wrong?
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OMG you have no idea WTF you are on about :rolleyes:
 
Steeps said "Also with this they have to set and mark homework, attend various staff and parent meetings, in some cases manage yeargroups/subjects."
If the school is decent and organised the teachers gets admin time. They get slots for admin without children. A lot of Teacher paperwork has been offloaded to other staff. There is no reason a decent organised teacher has to take work home on a regular basis's. They get more then enough free hours in the day just for paperwork.
 
Pottsey said:
"Urmmm, I thought teachers earned a salary, x amount per annum, so they do earn money over the holidays :\."
The simplified version is you work 39 weeks work at £xx per hour. 4 weeks of paid holidays so 43 total working weeks. You then divide that wage by 12 so you get the same every month.

So you have 9 weeks unpaid per year and your holidays cost more.
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That's wrong. You're talking about technicians aren't you? Which I presume you are one of? Or admin/support staff. Teaching staff get paid for the full year, regardless of holidays. If their salary is 45k per annum that is what they get paid (minus the usual taxes of course).

If you're NOT teaching staff at a school then the likelihood is that you're on pro-rata - ie you don't get paid for the school holidays, but your salary is spread evenly over the year. If you're a technician, for example, on £20k per annum you'll be taking home somewhat less than that over the year.

PS The OP is being ridiculous. I suggest you try working in a school, understand the environment a little better and then make your judgement.
 
big_white_dog84 said:
I'm an engineer
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I'm a Medic.

I don't think I have ever met an annoying teacher, but I've never met one out of the school environment.

In fact I only have fond memories of my teachers, I tried to get in contact with some of them several years ago.
 
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Moses99p said:
The thing about the lesson planning and suchlike is that it can be done once, then used year after year... until the syllabus changes of course.
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yeah to a certain point. If it's secondary then you're more likely to be teaching one subject so you may not have to change that much. Primary's a little different as most of the time you're planning for 3 different set groups. Children with disabilities and children who may not speak English as their first language. 4/5 lessons a day for 39 weeks plus making resources, planning, assessing. it's not as easy as people make out.
 
Moses99p said:
Urmmm, I thought teachers earned a salary, x amount per annum, so they do earn money over the holidays :\.

I used to love my teachers in primary school, and the early years of secondary school, then I thought they were mainly ****s, then I realised I had a lot of respect for them in the later years... I had some utterly fantastic teachers.
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They get paid every month, but they are only paid for the time they work. For example, if they work 10 months in a year, they get a salary based on that, paid once a month. So they get less per month than they technically should to make sure they have money coming in over the holidays rather than making them save for 2 months.

OP - have you considered that it may be the way you act towards teachers that makes them treat you in such a manner? My exs parents were teachers, my boyfriends mum and sister are teachers, and I have friends who are teachers too. None of them talk down to people outside of school.

If you were doing work within the school though, I can understand that they would want to be referred to by their title rather than first name. They want to keep things consistent with students, and if kids hear teachers referred to by their first name, they can become rather disrespectful (I saw it happen often when I was at school). I wouldn't be surprised if they introduced themselves in the way as habit while at work though.
 
I think the op is a bit like those thick blokes who left school and went into full time work straight away, then say they should ban students "because they're sponging my tax money" and then paying it back?
You always see that one grumpy ******* who's thick and obviously a builder with two teeth "I hate students, sponging *******"

Teachers do a lot of marking in their spare time, they have to deal with children more than in any other job. Or if it's not children its students, chasing up coursework and such. Teachers don't have the option of working to rule. They have to mark work and plan lessons in the evenings, I never take my work home with me, I can't think of anything more horrible.
 
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I work in a school, most teachers are great. However there are a certain few, it tends to be ones who've gone straight from school to university to teacher training who seam to think the entire world revolves around schools and teaching. This also often leads them to think they are above everyone else. We actually have one teacher who talks to other teachers like they're children (it's a bit scary).

As for working hours, they're expected to complete lesson planing and marking in your own time. Although lesson planning can be be reused to extent it has to be adjusted according the different abilities of your groups and how much progress they've made.
 
Pottsey said:
Steeps said "Also with this they have to set and mark homework, attend various staff and parent meetings, in some cases manage yeargroups/subjects."
If the school is decent and organised the teachers gets admin time. They get slots for admin without children. A lot of Teacher paperwork has been offloaded to other staff. There is no reason a decent organised teacher has to take work home on a regular basis's. They get more then enough free hours in the day just for paperwork.
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How much admin time do you think they get given a week out of interest?
 
Kitchster_uk said:
Teachers do not have it THAT bad!(other than working with kids!!!)
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Thats why most will drop out of teaching in the first few years. To combat this the government offers cash incentives and still they fall.
Such an easy life for great pay and only work 38 weeks per year, you'd think they would hang around a bit longer eh?
 
Vixen said:
They get paid every month, but they are only paid for the time they work. For example, if they work 10 months in a year, they get a salary based on that, paid once a month. So they get less per month than they technically should to make sure they have money coming in over the holidays rather than making them save for 2 months.
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Wrong again. Teachers are not pro-rata.
 
Pottsey said:
Steeps said "Also with this they have to set and mark homework, attend various staff and parent meetings, in some cases manage yeargroups/subjects."
If the school is decent and organised the teachers gets admin time. They get slots for admin without children. A lot of Teacher paperwork has been offloaded to other staff. There is no reason a decent organised teacher has to take work home on a regular basis's. They get more then enough free hours in the day just for paperwork.
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On these free periods are taken up with covering teachers taht are of, or children in the sin bin.
Teachers do a hell of a lot of work outside of school time.

Especially in summer holidays when the circulum changes and tehy have to redo all there lesson plans and supporting materials.
 
TriedandTested said "That's wrong. You're talking about technicians aren't you? Which I presume you are one of? Or admin/support staff. Teaching staff get paid for the full year, regardless of holidays. If their salary is 45k per annum that is what they get paid (minus the usual taxes of course)."
Really? I could well be wrong I get confused with all the contract options. I am in a very strange position where I am both admin/support staff and teaching staff. How I posted is how my contract works, I thought normal teachers are the same

If it is the case I am wrong and teachers get paid for a full year they have it very easy compared to the rest of school staff.
 
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